Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby M2K on Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:41 am

We have our Goran Dragic in Ramon Sessions...and we would certainly prefer to match the "less than $10 million" offer Ramon might get from some team than commit $10 to Goran Dragic.

Ramon's numbers with the Lakers were strong during the season but dropped significantly during the playoffs. Were his playoff performances this past year just a fluke? Or is he one of those players that wilt under the spotlight? I think it's too early to tell given that he plays in Mike Brown's inept offense.

The Lakers have their point guard in Sessions...what they need is athleticism and an improved bench. Trading Pau Gasol (a very bad fit at the PF position playing with Bynum) to upgrade the team's athleticism and improve it's bench...is the smart move. No doubt addressing these two areas will also infuse the team with some much needed youth.

I highly doubt the Lakers let Jordan Hill or Ramon Sessions go to any other team unless it's in a sign & trade move.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Kingsama on Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:25 pm

10 Mil?!?!

So I suppose the NBA needs to lock its owners out, its not the players fault they keep getting ridiculous money thrown at them.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby eltoro on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:54 pm

Why don't we offer the big bucks for anyone? We were promised winning, change, to. And now? Nothing.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:02 pm

eltoro wrote:Why don't we offer the big bucks for anyone? We were promised winning, change, to. And now? Nothing.

I don't mean to offend you, but do read anyone's posts? Multiple posters have told you that we CANNOT offer a large contract to anyone as per the rules of the new CBA.

The LARGEST we can offer is 3 million dollars. That's it. We DO NOT have the ability UNDER THE RULES to sign players to a larger contract than that UNLESS that player is ALREADY under contract for the Lakers and the Lakers own their bird rights.

For example: we cannot offer Deron Williams 17 million dollars because he was not under contract with us; however we CAN offer Ramon Sessions a contract of 7-8 million dollars because we own his bird rights.

Does that make it more clear?
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby jbiggs on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:03 pm

EDIT: realdeal beat me to it

^^ lol its because we dont have the money to throw at these players. we are over the cap. i have no doubts that if we were in a situation (under the cap) similar to the suns or rockets that we would be attempting to sign these players
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby eltoro on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:04 pm

therealdeal wrote:
eltoro wrote:Why don't we offer the big bucks for anyone? We were promised winning, change, to. And now? Nothing.

I don't mean to offend you, but do read anyone's posts? Multiple posters have told you that we CANNOT offer a large contract to anyone as per the rules of the new CBA.

The LARGEST we can offer is 3 million dollars. That's it. We DO NOT have the ability UNDER THE RULES to sign players to a larger contract than that UNLESS that player is ALREADY under contract for the Lakers and the Lakers own their bird rights.

For example: we cannot offer Deron Williams 17 million dollars because he was not under contract with us; however we CAN offer Ramon Sessions a contract of 7-8 million dollars because we own his bird rights.

Does that make it more clear?



I wasn't talking about signing free agents. We don't do enough through trades. I already know the collective bargaining rules for free agency.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:06 pm

eltoro wrote:
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eltoro wrote:Why don't we offer the big bucks for anyone? We were promised winning, change, to. And now? Nothing.

I don't mean to offend you, but do read anyone's posts? Multiple posters have told you that we CANNOT offer a large contract to anyone as per the rules of the new CBA.

The LARGEST we can offer is 3 million dollars. That's it. We DO NOT have the ability UNDER THE RULES to sign players to a larger contract than that UNLESS that player is ALREADY under contract for the Lakers and the Lakers own their bird rights.

For example: we cannot offer Deron Williams 17 million dollars because he was not under contract with us; however we CAN offer Ramon Sessions a contract of 7-8 million dollars because we own his bird rights.

Does that make it more clear?



I wasn't talking about signing free agents. We don't do enough through trades. I already know the collective bargaining rules for free agency.

Then your original post makes no sense. How can we "offer big bucks to anyone" through trades? Trades must match salaries.


If we traded for someone, say your favorite target Joe Johnson, we would have to send back to Atlanta a contract or contracts of equal value.

Offering big bucks to people through trades makes no sense.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:09 pm

Wait when making a trade we can't trade Blake / 17 million dollars for Deron?

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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby eltoro on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:28 pm

therealdeal wrote:
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therealdeal wrote:I don't mean to offend you, but do read anyone's posts? Multiple posters have told you that we CANNOT offer a large contract to anyone as per the rules of the new CBA.

The LARGEST we can offer is 3 million dollars. That's it. We DO NOT have the ability UNDER THE RULES to sign players to a larger contract than that UNLESS that player is ALREADY under contract for the Lakers and the Lakers own their bird rights.

For example: we cannot offer Deron Williams 17 million dollars because he was not under contract with us; however we CAN offer Ramon Sessions a contract of 7-8 million dollars because we own his bird rights.

Does that make it more clear?



I wasn't talking about signing free agents. We don't do enough through trades. I already know the collective bargaining rules for free agency.

Then your original post makes no sense. How can we "offer big bucks to anyone" through trades? Trades must match salaries.


If we traded for someone, say your favorite target Joe Johnson, we would have to send back to Atlanta a contract or contracts of equal value.

Offering big bucks to people through trades makes no sense.



Yeah, I know that. But both parties (ie, team GMs) can do a sign and trade for players. Ex: Dwight Howard has a year left on his current contract and then he becomes a free agent. No way the Lakers take him for a year and then see him leave for free agency. However, if he were to come to the Lakers with more years, then obviously the Lakes would take him and give up a player (ex: Bynum). So literally, a contract isn't just based off of the dollars, but also time as in contract length in years.

And that doesn't even touch on the subject of cash payments and gentlemen's handshakes.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:54 pm

A sign and trade still is under the same principle as a normal trade: we need to send out equal trade value. In the case of Dwight Howard the Lakers will only sign him if he extends and with the trading of Andrew Bynum that works perfectly. If the Lakers were to sign and trade for another player they would have to match that salary.

So your statement that the Lakers should throw around money like other teams still makes no sense unless the Lakers are prepared to send out an equal salary. We have limited options for that: Gasol, Sessions, Artest, Hill, and McRoberts are the only pieces that are getting paid significant amounts. Those are the only pieces the Lakers have to realsitically affect trades.

The Lakers want Sessions, Hill, and Artest the others are movable but difficult to match salaries. I hope that helps.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby TIME on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:21 pm

It's a noble effort therealdeal, but he's not listening.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:23 pm

If I don't do it I feel like no one will. :man10:
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:53 pm

The Rockets are a mess right now....

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Throwing out these ridiculous contracts, trying to resign Dragic, that team is a nightmare right now.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Congo Cash on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:59 pm

...and people say Houston's management is good... :freak2:
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby TIME on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:59 pm

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Throwing out these ridiculous contracts, trying to resign Dragic, that team is a nightmare right now.


Naw man, Morey is an innovator doncha know. He's gonna be the first GM to start a season with 12 power forwards.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby The Rock on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:08 pm

I wonder if Lee can be had for the Mini MLE? Hes not a bad ball handler, he has enough know how and other tools to play next to Kobe at PG, SG or SF. I'd give him a look
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Finwë on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:13 pm

The Rock wrote:I wonder if Lee can be had for the Mini MLE? Hes not a bad ball handler, he has enough know how and other tools to play next to Kobe at PG, SG or SF. I'd give him a look

I'd think he could get more money than that. Look at all the contracts going around, this ish is ridiculous. I bet he gets no less than 5/6 M per.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:14 pm

Houston should trade for LO to put him @ PG & go with the all PF lineup.. It would be fun to watch at the very least.. Some of those KG/Dirk/Duncan etc all star games we'd see 3-4 PF's on the floor at a time
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:15 pm

Finwë wrote:
The Rock wrote:I wonder if Lee can be had for the Mini MLE? Hes not a bad ball handler, he has enough know how and other tools to play next to Kobe at PG, SG or SF. I'd give him a look

I'd think he could get more money than that. Look at all the contracts going around, this ish is ridiculous. I bet he gets no less than 5/6 M per.


Yup.... and I'll bet we'll pay Sessions nearly 8 to return.... Especially if Dragic gets 9 or 10....
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:33 pm

Dragic ain't getting that. No way Jose. I'm hoping he gets more like 7 which would set the standard more realistically for Sessions.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby The Rock on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:36 pm

Yo Rocket fans are crazy they found Morey's address, I dont know what they're gonna do :man10:

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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:40 pm

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Hey Morey hide yo kids hide yo wife.
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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:51 pm

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Well when you don't have a PG

37 forwards

Two centers that maybe averaged 5 points and 5 boards combined..

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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:53 pm

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Re: Lakers interested in Goran Dragic

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:11 pm

The Rock wrote:Yo Rocket fans are crazy they found Morey's address, I dont know what they're gonna do :man10:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=218699&page=31


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