Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:19 am

BigDan24 wrote:
Mo is a better shooter than Sessions and he knows how to perform in the Playoffs (at least early rounds...)
He played under Brown so he should be more comfortable with his system.

Sessions is a better slasher and a better passer.

They're both not great defenders.

If it's gonna be Mo instead of Sessions, i think it's an improvement but just a slight one.
Mo and Sessions would make us a lot better, i think.


My argument wasn't about who's better between Sessions or Mo. It was more about, it doesn't matter if we get Mo and Sessions walks, or keep Sessions and not get Mo, we are still stuck with Blake and the two PG lineup.

My point was no matter who we get, Blake needs to go. You can get away with a Sessions / Mo two PG lineup because Sessions can dish the rock and Mo can score. Blake does neither effectively and you get what you see from this past season.

Mo / Blake or Sessions / Blake.....one costs 12.5 million (Mo + Blake)....the other 9 million (Sesh + Blake)...or 13.5 (Mo + Sessions)

Looking at it that way, it makes sense to just cut ties with Blake, and roll with Mo/Sessions who would cost 1 million more than the Mo/Blake combo. (Assuming Sessions resigns for 5 million, which is definitely reasonable).
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:57 am

Doc Brown wrote:
BigDan24 wrote:
Mo is a better shooter than Sessions and he knows how to perform in the Playoffs (at least early rounds...)
He played under Brown so he should be more comfortable with his system.

Sessions is a better slasher and a better passer.

They're both not great defenders.

If it's gonna be Mo instead of Sessions, i think it's an improvement but just a slight one.
Mo and Sessions would make us a lot better, i think.


My argument wasn't about who's better between Sessions or Ramon.


:man3: ......... Sessions or Ramon?

I think you mean Sessions or Williams don't you? .....

In that evaluation I'd prefer Williams for a couple of reasons.... First, he's been in big games..... and second, he's a far better shooter over the majority of his career than Sessions. Play making is about the same and defensively Williams may have the edge. I'd ditch Blake somehow and get them both.... Sessions and Williams would give us two quick/fast guards that can get their own shot......
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:17 am

If they use the TPE for Mo, which is a great move, then they need to do a few things-

1. Trade Blake. Look at Doc for why. I'd almost rather we roll into the season with Morris just because he's more of a true PG and would be vastly cheaper.

2. Trade Gasol for pieces and a TPE. I think the best landing spot is Houston. They are going to strike out on Howard unless they're really serious about renting him which I think would be a huge failure. They need to get rid of him, his money, and clear space for young cheap guys. If you take on a 8 million expiring you let go of your 19 million dollar contract.

3. Re-sign Sessions and sign a cheap veteran PG looking to win. Sessions will come with a price tag of about 5 million dollars which isn't awful for a backup/off and on starter if they're effective. I'd love if the Lakers could nab either Kidd or Miller and give us veteran leadership. this would also allow Williams to just be a scorer and not worry about PG duties.

A guard rotation of: Sessions/ Kidd and Bryant/Williams/ Goudelock is one of the better ones around the League.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 am

Rooscooter wrote:
:man3: ......... Sessions or Ramon?

I think you mean Sessions or Williams don't you? .....

In that evaluation I'd prefer Williams for a couple of reasons.... First, he's been in big games..... and second, he's a far better shooter over the majority of his career than Sessions. Play making is about the same and defensively Williams may have the edge. I'd ditch Blake somehow and get them both.... Sessions and Williams would give us two quick/fast guards that can get their own shot......


:man10: :man10:

Yea that's what I meant RaMOn Williams.

In all seriousness, having a Mo/Sessions PG rotation would probably be the best situation we could get out of a backcourt this offseason. (Assuming we don't get Deron of course).

Like I said before, if Brown wants to run the 2 PG lineup, by all means go ahead with those two because they mesh well together. Blake has got to go whether it be by amnesty or trade.

Mo (18) / Sessions (30)
Kobe (32) / Mo (16) / Glock (scraps if any)

Going by Brown's plan that's a solid backcourt rotation given his need to play two PG's at once. Everyone gets 30 minutes (starters minutes), everyone is happy.

This also allows the FO to trade Pau for a SF and PF, which is a lot more likely, given Pau's value right now and the needs of our team at that point.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby trodgers on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:41 am

eltoro wrote:Mo Wiliams is...

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I agree, but that doesn't mean I'd be unhappy to have him.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:45 am

I'm not opposed to the move, but if we're even contemplating using our TPE (albiet for a one year deal that wouldn't involve the "super tax") I have a feeling Gasol has been lined up for some cost cutting move.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby eltoro on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:11 pm

trodgers wrote:
eltoro wrote:Mo Wiliams is...

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I agree, but that doesn't mean I'd be unhappy to have him.



Wee already saw the results of a Mo Williams led offense with a superstar in Cleveland. And that was when the East was weak. Don't need a repeat of that.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:27 pm

If Lamar goes to the clippers than well prob pick up Mo Williams. The bad news is that Mo wasn't happy coming off the bench for the clippers so I doubt he will for us. Prob have to be our starting pg but it'll be the samething as sessions....rendered useless in the offensive system.

Rather get Lamar back in purple and gold as our real 6th man than bring in Mo. LO would be much cheaper, way happier as a 6th man off the bench, has played with Kobe and Drew, and wants to play for lakers
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby XXIV on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:40 pm

Ariza3 wrote:If Lamar goes to the clippers than well prob pick up Mo Williams. The bad news is that Mo wasn't happy coming off the bench for the clippers so I doubt he will for us. Prob have to be our starting pg but it'll be the samething as sessions....rendered useless in the offensive system.

Rather get Lamar back in purple and gold as our real 6th man than bring in Mo. LO would be much cheaper, way happier as a 6th man off the bench, has played with Kobe and Drew, and wants to play for lakers


Only way I see Lamar coming back is if the Mavs buy him out, which at this point doesn't seem likely with the Clippers willing to trade for him.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby trodgers on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:55 pm

eltoro wrote:
trodgers wrote:
eltoro wrote:Mo Wiliams is...

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Clap! Clap! --- Clap! clap! clap!
O-VER-RATED!

I agree, but that doesn't mean I'd be unhappy to have him.



Wee already saw the results of a Mo Williams led offense with a superstar in Cleveland. And that was when the East was weak. Don't need a repeat of that.

A Mo Williams + Superstar team:
2008-09: 65 wins, 15 loss in regular season; 10 wins, 4 losses. 2 Series wins.
2009-10: 50 wins, 19 losses in regular season; 6-5 in playoffs, 1 series win.
That's 115 wins, 34 losses in regular season.
16 wins, 9 losses in playoffs.
3 series wins in two years.

LeBron in two years with Wade and Bosh:
2010-11: 57 wins, 25 losses; 14 wins, 7 losses; 3 series wins.
2011-12: 45 wins, 17 losses; 16 wins, 7 losses; 4 series wins.
That's 102 wins, 42 losses in regular season.
30 wins, 14 losses in playoffs.
7 series wins in two years.

I mean, if Wade and Bosh are really that good, I don't think Mo as a second option was bad at all.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby last stand on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:02 pm

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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby thkthebest on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:07 pm

Mo would help...but I don't see us improving much with him on the team.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby The Rock on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:53 pm

Stephen A Smith was just on John Ireland's show...he said even though the Clippers are interested in cost cutting (aka letting go of Mo) and Lamar Odom, the chances of them involving the Lakers in the deal are highly unlikely, they dont want to help the Lakers
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:00 pm

The Rock wrote:Stephen A Smith was just on John Ireland's show...he said even though the Clippers are interested in cost cutting (aka letting go of Mo) and Lamar Odom, the chances of them involving the Lakers in the deal are highly unlikely, they dont want to help the Lakers


well to bad for them cause Dall wants cap space and there aren't to many teams out there who want/need Mo that has a tpe to give to Dall.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby The Rock on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:02 pm

khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:Stephen A Smith was just on John Ireland's show...he said even though the Clippers are interested in cost cutting (aka letting go of Mo) and Lamar Odom, the chances of them involving the Lakers in the deal are highly unlikely, they dont want to help the Lakers


well to bad for them cause Dall wants cap space and there aren't to many teams out there who want/need Mo that has a tpe to give to Dall.


Mo is a 2 guard masquerading as a 1. Plenty of teams would just shift him to the 2. League is playing small ball these days
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:03 pm

The Rock wrote:
khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:Stephen A Smith was just on John Ireland's show...he said even though the Clippers are interested in cost cutting (aka letting go of Mo) and Lamar Odom, the chances of them involving the Lakers in the deal are highly unlikely, they dont want to help the Lakers


well to bad for them cause Dall wants cap space and there aren't to many teams out there who want/need Mo that has a tpe to give to Dall.


Mo is a 2 guard masquerading as a 1. Plenty of teams would just shift him to the 2. League is playing small ball these days


yea but how many of them have a tpe or small guranteed/buyout type contracts to trade to Dall? as it seems dall doesn't any any major salary commitment in return for Odom.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Weezy on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:08 pm

We're talking about Donald Sterling here, the worst owner in maybe all of sports, he would not deal with the Lakers simply to not deal with the Lakers, even if we were giving them something really good. Like I said earlier in the thread, I can't remember the Lakers and Clippers ever making a deal, they could have, but I can't remember a single time.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby The Rock on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:08 pm

khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:
Mo is a 2 guard masquerading as a 1. Plenty of teams would just shift him to the 2. League is playing small ball these days


yea but how many of them have a tpe or small guranteed/buyout type contracts to trade to Dall? as it seems dall doesn't any any major salary commitment in return for Odom.



Dallas would get a TPE and like a future 2nd round pick. Trade works.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby The Rock on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:09 pm

Weezy wrote:We're talking about Donald Sterling here, the worst owner in maybe all of sports, he would not deal with the Lakers simply to not deal with the Lakers, even if we were giving them something really good. Like I said earlier in the thread, I can't remember the Lakers and Clippers ever making a deal, they could have, but I can't remember a single time.


I think Lakers traded Norm Nixon to the Clippers

not a lot of trades has happened with our Pacific Division rivals in recent years. I dont remember any with GSW, Clips, SAC, PHX (Robert Horry in 97 is last I remember) before they did the divisions we used to be in same division as POR and no trades with them either.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:11 pm

The Rock wrote:
Dallas would get a TPE and like a future 2nd round pick. Trade works.


I know that but who would they get the TPE from if the Clipps aren't going to involve us, that is what I'm asking, what other team out there has tpe AND wants Mo as well?
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby The Rock on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:15 pm

khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:
Dallas would get a TPE and like a future 2nd round pick. Trade works.


I know that but who would they get the TPE from if the Clipps aren't going to involve us, that is what I'm asking, what other team out there has tpe AND wants Mo as well?


I misread it. Doesn't mean a team with a TPE necessarily is needed to make this trade to work. Lets say if Phoenix has capspace of $10 mil, they can absorb that $8.5 mil Mo Williams contract and send out a future 2nd round pick for Dallas. Dallas just wants to dump Lamar's salary.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby khmrP on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:26 pm

crazy thought to go along with Hou Rumor :man1:

Kevin Martin to Clipps
Mo to Lakers
Odom tpe back to Dall
Odom to Lakers

Odom/Mo combined still make less than Pau :man10: and of course whatever pick we get from Hou we package to move higher into the draft
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:47 pm

I'd take Mo Williams for the TPE. That's only if we don't re-sign Sessions or he's asking for too much....Otherwise if we re-sign Sessions and acquire Mo Williams...we'll have 3 PG's on our roster once again. I'd love for a Mo Williams/Sessions PG rotation though. Williams is a great fit alongside Kobe and Bynum. Outside shooting and somebody that can create off the dribble.
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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Cleansed on Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:08 pm

lakersin4 wrote:I was dying to get this guy when the Clips got Billups & It looked like Mo might be bought out or waived.. Then again when it looked like he could be had for the TPE.. If we can get him for the TPE or something along those lines we absolutely have to do it.. Perfect fit.. Sucks it will be in the move that prevents us from getting LO but I'm happy with the PG position if we have Mo/Sessions.. Dump Blake, Try to upgrade the bench & call it an offseason.. If we HAVE to dump Pau, this would have to increase our odds of going after a stud 2 way SF like Granger, Gay, Deng, or Iggy.. I'm loving it either way..


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Re: Lakers Interested In Mo Williams

Postby Sky Hook on Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:12 pm

Are there any probabilities that Lakers will sign Mo Williams ?
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