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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby TIME on Wed May 23, 2012 9:16 am

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lakerswiz wrote:Sooooo were Laker fans this pissed off after Phil got completely outcoached against Detroit or did we give him a pass?

It's funny to me how much emphasis is put on what Mike Brown does or doesn't do. He's the scapegoat for y'all this year.

Who took the blame when the Lakers lost to San Antonio during their run for their 4th in a row? Did Phil get any hate for not changing the offense or his coaching style to get the win?


When Mike Brown wins 11 rings we may give him some leeway when he loses a series.

This is backwards thinking.


Feel free to enlighten me. It seems pretty straight forward to me.

Track record = earned trust in Phil's case.
Track record = earned mistrust in Brown's case.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby Congo Cash on Wed May 23, 2012 9:30 am

lakerswiz wrote:Sooooo were Laker fans this pissed off after Phil got completely outcoached against Detroit or did we give him a pass?

It's funny to me how much emphasis is put on what Mike Brown does or doesn't do. He's the scapegoat for y'all this year.

Who took the blame when the Lakers lost to San Antonio during their run for their 4th in a row? Did Phil get any hate for not changing the offense or his coaching style to get the win?

Well, I got pissed off by Payton/Bryant's terrible play and Shaq being outhustled by Ben Wallace that's for sure... Luke Walton or Slava Medvedenko trying to guard Rasheed Wallace was hilarious though...

Jackson has his faults, but at the end of the day he still won 11 titles... MB has yet to accomplish anything meaningful...
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby TIME on Fri May 25, 2012 1:17 pm

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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby jamabile on Fri May 25, 2012 1:34 pm

I will tell you one thing that agitated me. Ron got a flagrant foul in the OKC game and when the refs called it, Ron got upset and rightfully so. He got a technical. Bryant then went over and started talking to the referee and then out of nowhere he received a technical. I hate to make comparisons, but in this instance I will. If Phil was our coach, he would have received a technical, and I wouldn't have minded. I'm not saying Mike should have done that, but I didn't see any fire or emotion out of him when the call went down, but I could be mistaken. It just totally rubbed me the wrong way...
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby TIME on Fri May 25, 2012 1:37 pm

lakerswiz wrote:This isn't what you said. You didn't say that it was more trust to Phil.

You said that Phil gets leeway when he loses a series. Because he has 11 rings.

So no. You enlighten me.


Just because he had success in the past, we shouldn't be okay or give any leeway for a lackluster performance.

I mean Kobe has 5 rings. Why get mad that he essentially lost us a game in this series?


I'm not sure what you don't understand about my point. Track record earns trust and trust gives leeway. For me (I'm not saying this is how you should think) Phil earned a lifetime pass. Same for Kobe. That does not mean I will never criticize them. I think you can find posts of mine critical of both Phil and Kobe. But it does mean I would never call for Phil to be fired, or Kobe to be traded or amnestied.

I don't trust Mike Brown as our head coach. He seems like a really nice guy, and from all that I've read he is a qualified NBA assistant coach. He's a stat geek and would be a great addition to someone's staff. I personally think he is a victim of what used to be called the Peter Principle. He was promoted beyond his ability. Some guys are cut out for the head job and some guys are better suited for the 2nd chair.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby jamabile on Fri May 25, 2012 2:16 pm

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jamabile wrote:I will tell you one thing that agitated me. Ron got a flagrant foul in the OKC game and when the refs called it, Ron got upset and rightfully so. He got a technical. Bryant then went over and started talking to the referee and then out of nowhere he received a technical. I hate to make comparisons, but in this instance I will. If Phil was our coach, he would have received a technical, and I wouldn't have minded. I'm not saying Mike should have done that, but I didn't see any fire or emotion out of him when the call went down, but I could be mistaken. It just totally rubbed me the wrong way...

Reaching.


You're could be right, and I could be reaching; and given the fact that Phil and Mike have different personalities, it's easy to see them react in a very different manner given the circumstances/situation. However, I'm actually one of the few people on this board that want to have Mike Brown back next year. I'm not bashing him in any ways.

As of matter of fact, when I hear Jerry West say, "They have a very good team, but the thing I think ... when I watched them was this season to me was not really a basketball season," West said on the radio show. "To say it wasn't a traditional training camp, people don't understand how important that is. The other thing is, when I look at their team is they got a very good starting lineup but the inconsistency of the bench play is really what hurt them most. "I think at times, you bring in a new coach, Phil (Jackson) had been there so long and a number of the players were so used to playing in that system that there are adjustments to be made. If you don't have time to prepare in training camp, it's certainly not a good thing."

My point is we were doomed from the beginning trying to implement a new defensive and offensive system without a traditional basketball season. Mike Brown is not without his flaws. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt, go out and get the right pieces to build around his system. Then if he fails next year, he won't have no excuses. However, it's silly to fire him after a shortened season and the FO investing 4 million dollars a year in him.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby brickshooter on Fri May 25, 2012 2:35 pm

The 2011 Lakers defense was broken. It's offense was not. Brown is a defensive specialist. He was brought here to fix the Lakers defense. Instead he tried to fix the Lakers offense knowing that in a compressed season he would be denied a training camp. In the end, the Lakers could neither defend the Thunder nor could they score against the Nuggets - one of the worst defensive teams.

You hire a guy to fix your windows. Instead of fixing your windows, he installs a new roof. In the end, both the windows and new roof leaks.

Give him another chance?
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat May 26, 2012 12:57 am

Not sure why some fans think a training camp is going to change a lot of things ... Brown was the same clueless coach with the Cavs , poor rotations and unable to make adjustments ...

That being said our roster is very flawed for today's NBA so it's not like we are losing titles just because of poor coaching
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby Whatthef? on Tue May 29, 2012 10:12 am

Brown needs to go or the Lakers will not make the playoffs next year. He is the worst on court coach in the league. He has no clue how to run an NBA offense and has no leadership skills.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby XXIV on Tue May 29, 2012 10:19 am

Whatthef? wrote:Brown needs to go or the Lakers will not make the playoffs next year. He is the worst on court coach in the league. He has no clue how to run an NBA offense and has no leadership skills.


Whether or not we like it, he's here for at least on more season. Next season he'll be able to have his training camp along with practices, and he won't have any more excuses.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby khmrP on Tue May 29, 2012 10:27 am

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Whatthef? wrote:Brown needs to go or the Lakers will not make the playoffs next year. He is the worst on court coach in the league. He has no clue how to run an NBA offense and has no leadership skills.


Whether or not we like it, he's here for at least on more season. Next season he'll be able to have his training camp along with practices, and he won't have any more excuses.


agreed, Jimbo would look idiotic for hiring/firing a coach so quickly.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby XXIV on Tue May 29, 2012 10:36 am

I just wish management gave him a 2 year deal rather than a 4 year guaranteed contract. An idiotic deal for someone as unproven as MB.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby jlkr on Tue May 29, 2012 10:45 am

Watched Pop's Spurs take OKC apart in the 4th the other night. Textbook execution, firm discipline, no standing around, easy buckets, OKC could not stop them, have seen way too little of that from Brown. They say Brown actually worked for Pop once upon a time. They gotta be kidding me. No way, not after what I saw...

But, but ... Baseball Cap Boy can't fire him now. If he did, no reputable coach in his right mind would talk to him about the job. So we're stuck. OK ... full summer, summer leagues, Mitch, team in contact with all players, full training camp = no more excuses.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby XXIV on Tue May 29, 2012 10:47 am

^ Mike's a great defensive assistant, not HC material in any way. But I'm willing to give him another chance next season (as if we have any choice :man10: ).
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby jlkr on Tue May 29, 2012 10:55 am

Yes, he's perfect for the #2 chair, the poster who cited The Peter Principle hit it on the nose about this guy.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue May 29, 2012 11:07 am

Whatthef? wrote:Brown needs to go or the Lakers will not make the playoffs next year. He is the worst on court coach in the league. He has no clue how to run an NBA offense and has no leadership skills.

The Lakers will be a top 3 seed again next season.
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Re: Lower the Bar

Postby JUST-MING on Tue May 29, 2012 1:36 pm

KeepBynum wrote:The Lakers will be a Top 3 seed, again, next season.

They should be playing for NBA championships, not pacific division championships. An early exit with this team should cost him his job, this team is championship or bust.

The Buss Family isn’t paying $100 mil for a 3 seed and a second round sweep. Not with 3 “All-Stars”.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby Whatthef? on Wed May 30, 2012 11:04 am

Brown gets no respect from Bynum, doesn't have a clue how to use Gasol and gets no endorsement from Kobe.
Why would you waste a year of Kobe's career and $60 mil in salary to save $12 mil on a coaches salary? Time to admit it was a mistake and bring back Shaw or Scott before Kobe decides to leave.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Wed May 30, 2012 11:29 am

jlkr wrote:Watched Pop's Spurs take OKC apart in the 4th the other night. Textbook execution, firm discipline, no standing around, easy buckets, OKC could not stop them, have seen way too little of that from Brown. They say Brown actually worked for Pop once upon a time. They gotta be kidding me. No way, not after what I saw...

But, but ... Baseball Cap Boy can't fire him now. If he did, no reputable coach in his right mind would talk to him about the job. So we're stuck. OK ... full summer, summer leagues, Mitch, team in contact with all players, full training camp = no more excuses.


Anyone notice how quickly Tony Parker advances the ball up the court vs. OKC? If he has a lane he takes it, if not, he backs it out and runs the offense. They're able to get good shots because they have more TIME to get one. That's a far cry from the walk the ball up the court crap Brown had Sessions doing. We trade for a "push" type PG, then put restraints on him. Square peg/Round hole.
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Re: Mike Brown

Postby JUST-MING on Thu May 31, 2012 2:39 am

Mike Brown as head coach of the Spurs, how far do they go? They wouldn’t make the playoffs.
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Re: Mike Brown

Postby XXIV on Thu May 31, 2012 11:03 am

JUST-MING wrote:Mike Brown as head coach of the Spurs, how far do they go? They wouldn’t make the playoffs.


He would destroy what's left of TD's career by playing him heavy minutes during the regular season.
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Mike Brown Interview

Postby revgen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:41 am

Mike Brown joined XX Sports Radio in San Diego with Josh and Charod to talk about how tough it has been for him to watch the playoffs this season, whether coaching the Lakers was what he expected it to be, if he thought his team was good enough this season to win a championship, whether Andrew Bynum is coachable, the difference between LeBron James and Kobe Bryant and what it was like coaching LeBron.

How tough it has been for him to watch the playoffs this season:

“It took a while. I had a hard time watching the semi-finals. I shut down and tried to watch most of the first game last night but there’s still that taste in your mouth that kind of frustrates you when you watch games, especially at this point in the year.”

Whether coaching the Lakers was what he expected it to be:

“It’s a lot different than what you’re expecting. You can anticipate what the job is going to be like when you’re out in LA and I imagine New York probably has to be the same but I don’t think until you get into the seat and the season progresses and you have to deal especially with the media, it’s a great media, it’s a pretty knowledgeable media but because there’s so many different outlets out here and they compete very hard against one another and every little thing turns into a big story that you have to manage at times so that everybody can sort of stay together. For me that was probably the toughest part to adjust to or deal with. Being in Cleveland you had the national media cover you and so on and so forth but they were only worried about one guy and then they worried about whether you won or lost. At times they didn’t care when Sasha Pavlovic stubbed his toe. They didn’t say he fell down a flight of steps because he was fighting his girlfriend. From that standpoint it was different from what I expected but other than that, as a family we really enjoy being out here and I enjoy the entire group and the organization. The organization is terrific. It’s a good group of people to work with.”

Whether he felt the Lakers had a chance to win a championship:

“I felt like we had a chance to win a championship, yes. I felt like the roster was good enough. I thought especially down the stretch when there were two to three minutes left in the game if not a little bit more, especially in that fourth quarter at times we didn’t hit timely shots and they did. That kept them encouraged throughout the course of the game and kept them in the game and got them over the hump at times. Defensively we had made some mistakes, especially down the stretch that you wish you could take back and try to clean up or do a little better job of just because they’re so talented and they can hurt you in a lot of different ways. You have to be almost perfect. You do look back, you do have regrets here and there, you do wish this would’ve been a little bit better or you could’ve gotten a little more from here or there but at the end of the day we did get beat, obviously they were a better team and hopefully we will make some adjustments this offseason to go after it again next year.”

If Andrew Bynum is coachable:

“Yeah. He is. Again that is another thing you bring up is the fact that every little thing that he did or that happened between he and I turned into a huge story. That’s what the funny thing about this job is, I’ve had players in the past that I thought had taken a bad shot and I pulled them out of the game and sat them down for awhile then I put them back in and if they were playing well I would keep them in and if they weren’t I’d take them out but that would basically be the end of the story. He took that three at the top of the key and yes, is he capable of making that shot? Yes he probably is. I’ve seen him shooting it messing around in practice with the fellas and stuff like that and he has a very good stroke for a guy, 7-1, 7-0 or whatever he is. He can shoot the ball. He’s a really good shooter but I thought during just that point in time it was out of context or I felt it affected the rhythm of the game because no one was expecting that to happen. I took him out, put him back in, he didn’t play well so I took him out of the game and it was the biggest story going forward from then on.”

On the differences between Kobe Bryant and LeBron James:

“They’re two different types of people first of all and two different personalities. They’re both great players in their own right and Kobe is going to go down as one of the greatest, if not the greatest because he has five of them right now and he has a chance to get more. Until LeBron gets to the point where he’s collecting the hardware that Kobe has you have to always probably give the advantage to Kobe in that regard. That’s how people look at Phil Jackson. It’s the same thing. Whether this guy or that guy was a better X’s and O’s coach or whatever it’s hard to compare anybody else to Phil because of the number that he has. Both of those players are great players and they’re different types of players also as well as people. They bring different things to the table. I think one of the things that Kobe does extremely well and I don’t know if anybody does it better, his medium game is off the charts. That second level of scoring is almost impossible to duplicate. You talk about Kobe and then the next guy that comes to mind is Jordan. Jordan was that way, a guy that scored very well on the second level whereas you look at LeBron and the first thing that comes to mind for me is his passing ability. At 6-8 with his size and all that other stuff, his vision and his ability to pass the basketball is Magic Johnson-like. Two different players with two different types of games but they’re both in their own right going to impact this game in a lot of different ways to where their legacy will be talked about forever.”

How he feels about his time coaching LeBron:

“I had a great time coaching LeBron and I’m in the seat that I’m in right now because of, mainly because of him. He had a lot to do with it. We had a great relationship and hope that a guy that works as hard as he does, because he does work hard, a lot of people don’t understand the time and effort he puts into the game, but you hope that a guy that works as hard as he does and has taken the criticism that he has taken, gets one. Now, not at the expense of the Lakers but with us sitting at home, if he gets it then great, you like to see it. If he doesn’t he will keep working hard and I’m sure it will happen someday for him.”


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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby revgen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:44 am

Mike Brown needs to learn to just give simple answers to questions and make the reporter do all the work to get him to reveal more.

Q: Is Andrew Bynum coachable?

A: Yes he is.

Q: Umm...can you give more insight?

A: I coach. He listens.

Q: Umm...well some might question whether he is or not after he took that 3pt shot in the Golden State game in which you had to pull him out.

A: That's what's funny about this job. I've had players in the past I've taken out for taking bad shots. Nobody made a big deal out of it. Here in LA, you guys are so competitive that you cling onto a story that wouldn't make headlines anywhere else in the country. That's just something I have to get used to I guess.


He basically will be saying the same thing he talks about in the interview, but without sounding like an idiot.

I can understand what he's saying, but he comes across as a guy who is way too defensive and insecure. Phil would have no problems handling these questions.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Lakers Playoff record: 5-7)

Postby TalkieWalkie on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:05 pm

Who else smiled when they read the tidbit about Lebron being the reason why he's in his current position...

He's basically saying "Lebron helped me fool Jim Buss into thinking I'm a good coach"

Fire this guy PLEASE
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Re: Mike Brown

Postby JUST-MING on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:37 pm

TalkieWalkie wrote:Who else smiled when they read the tidbit about Lebron being the reason why he’s in his current position... He’s basically saying “Lebron helped me fool Jim Buss into thinking I’m a good coach”

Mike Brown is a “Trojan Horse” from Lebron (the Grinch) to steal excitement from Laker games.
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