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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:But how is our D suffering so bad. Forget the transition D coming off TOs in the offense that no one knows how to run...in a half court set, teams are getting really good looks. If you consider our opposition in the preseason, these were "scrub" teams that were running up the score on us.

Coach B prides himself off defense....where is it then?


During "Bynumgate" a couple of us noted that the perimeter defense was horrible but were shouted down..... Well.... we have Howard and it still seems like people are getting to the hoop and getting wide open looks....

If you watch closely we are breaking down at the second level..... just like last year. The initial rotation is there but the secondary ones aren't and all of the perimeter defenders lose contact with their man and we give up tap-outs and offensive rebounds as a result.

Most possession it looks like a scramble with guys running into each other or nailed to the floor turning their head..... neither is good for defense. And you're right.... Defense is a team not individuals.... and that is controllable through coaching..... which is obviously missing.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Ken_rosseneri on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:56 pm

I miss Phil Jackson. Imagine if Phil had this team to coach.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:58 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Dwight should do us all a favor and get this coach gone too.


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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby jjin28 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:03 pm

its not that our bench is bad, its that our coach is bad where he puts our bench in a position where they will be bad.

his substiutions are horrible. Call it just preseason all you want, but preaseason is still about finding which bench players gel with which starters. What mike brown did though is play the starters, then replace the entire line up with all bench players. Im sure he's just trying to see which bench players of the bench players shine the most so he can see who is the most reliable / talanted....but that is the wrong approach.

We actually have a solid solid 10 mine rotation of Nash, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Dwight -- Jamison, Hill, Meeks, Blake, Ebanks.

I swear, jamison probably only played a total of 2 minutes with any 3 starters during the whole preseason. Its like putting Kobe out there with Smush, Luke, Kwame. You gotta blend the bench in with the starters at the same time and see who gels with which starters. 7 wasted preseason games and we still dont know.

Example Subsitution. Jamison is our best bench player. So let him play with the 2 best players like Kobe and Dwight and have the other two players be your #9 and #10 best bench player, not the entire bench squad. After that, bench Kobe and Dwight, bring in your next 2 best bench players #7 and #8, and bring back in your 3rd and 4th best starters like Nash, Gasol, with Jamison #6 still on the floor getting 6th man worthy minutes.

Just a ridiculous coach. He always had an offensive coordinator. All he's responsible is teaching defense and making the correct substiutions.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby revgen on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:04 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:But how is our D suffering so bad. Forget the transition D coming off TOs in the offense that no one knows how to run...in a half court set, teams are getting really good looks. If you consider our opposition in the preseason, these were "scrub" teams that were running up the score on us.

Coach B prides himself off defense....where is it then?


During "Bynumgate" a couple of us noted that the perimeter defense was horrible but were shouted down..... Well.... we have Howard and it still seems like people are getting to the hoop and getting wide open looks....

If you watch closely we are breaking down at the second level..... just like last year. The initial rotation is there but the secondary ones aren't and all of the perimeter defenders lose contact with their man and we give up tap-outs and offensive rebounds as a result.

Most possession it looks like a scramble with guys running into each other or nailed to the floor turning their head..... neither is good for defense. And you're right.... Defense is a team not individuals.... and that is controllable through coaching..... which is obviously missing.


I'm convinced that part of lore of Cleveland being a "great defensive team" under Brown was the fact that they played in the leastern conference. It's easier to defend bad teams than it is to defend good ones. Since Brown was fired in 2010, the east has gotten a bit better and both conferences are pretty close now. I'm not saying that Brown didn't coach defense and didn't emphasize it, he's certainly no Mike D'Antoni or Don Nelson, but I don't believe he was the "defensive guru" that people made him out to be.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:07 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:But how is our D suffering so bad. Forget the transition D coming off TOs in the offense that no one knows how to run...in a half court set, teams are getting really good looks. If you consider our opposition in the preseason, these were "scrub" teams that were running up the score on us.

Coach B prides himself off defense....where is it then?


During "Bynumgate" a couple of us noted that the perimeter defense was horrible but were shouted down..... Well.... we have Howard and it still seems like people are getting to the hoop and getting wide open looks....

If you watch closely we are breaking down at the second level..... just like last year. The initial rotation is there but the secondary ones aren't and all of the perimeter defenders lose contact with their man and we give up tap-outs and offensive rebounds as a result.

Most possession it looks like a scramble with guys running into each other or nailed to the floor turning their head..... neither is good for defense. And you're right.... Defense is a team not individuals.... and that is controllable through coaching..... which is obviously missing.


I'm convinced that part of lore of Cleveland being a "great defensive team" under Brown was the fact that they played in the leastern conference. It's easier to defend bad teams than it is to defend good ones. Since Brown was fired in 2010, the east has gotten a bit better and both conferences are pretty close now. I'm not saying that Brown didn't coach defense and didn't emphasize it, he's certainly no Mike D'Antoni or Don Nelson, but I don't believe he was the "defensive guru" that people made him out to be.


look at the man...watch his mannerisms, listen to the actual words he says. i don't think anyone could call him a guru of anything.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby jimbo327 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:15 pm

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Vasashi17 wrote:On offense they look completely unorganized. However that is understandable cause the lineup was a rotating door amongst the players.

But how is our D suffering so bad. Forget the transition D coming off TOs in the offense that no one knows how to run...in a half court set, teams are getting really good looks. If you consider our opposition in the preseason, these were "scrub" teams that were running up the score on us.

Coach B prides himself off defense....where is it then?


It's all a reputation thing with no substance. Just like he's known for being a "stats guy", I don't see that either. The offense has literally looked like crap and gone downhill since the 1st quarter of the Warriors game (1st preseason game).


Maybe they mean that he just reads off the stat sheet in the post game presser. Every time they ask him something, he always just read off the stat sheet for that player. I never get the sense that he understands the whole situation and know what to fix.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby The Rock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:21 pm

Didn't we bring in assistants? How come I dont see these guys directing the players in between stoppage of play instead hes talking to them...like he was talking to Meeks, Nash, Ebanks on where to cut or whatever.

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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby 432J on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:35 pm

he's simply the wrong fit for this team, a terrible choice. they have this great team and this moron as head coach. he's unfit to be coaching this team. i really hope FO realizes this sooner or later and pulls the plug on brown. as long as he's coach, this team wont get anywhere

what a horrible way for nash and kobe to finish out their HOF careers. oh and forget about howard resigning if this idiot is coaching the team
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby The Rock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:46 pm

Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks, Mike and Nash may have to compromise and thats good. Encourage Nash to do what he wants but at the same time, run the Princeton sets just as much to mix it up... exclusively choosing one over the other is too predictable

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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby dmaul on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:50 pm

Despite the level of talent with this team, we're not going anywhere near a championship with this coach. We're not going to overcome Mike Brown's ineptitude on the way to a title. He has to go. Period.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:00 am

One problem is that the team needs to be encouraged to move without the ball. Nash needs a system that complements his skills, not one that takes the ball out of his hands. In PHO, he had a team that moved while he was setting up. Our guys just stand around.

Mike is stifling this team. He turns stars into idiots.

What most people ignore about MB is that his teams were "charmed", when LeBron was on them. The NBA gave them lots of calls, and they had lots of leeway when playing defense. It was their attempt to market LeBron and his team as the next great championship team. That special treatment made MB look much better than he really was. LeBron, who has a high BB IQ, had NO respect for him, and now we see why.

Jimmy, whom I will no longer bash, since he's done a great job rebuilding the team, fell for the hype of MB during his tenure at Cleveland. The real MB is not smart enough or confident enough to run a championship team.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby kenzo on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:03 am

I can see him gone two months from now (if we keep playing like we do). Also, him saying "Steve (Nash) has the opportunity to play pick & roll every time down the floor" is SMART... but at the same time he might be thinking about saving his a** when saying that.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby ZenMaster4President on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:40 am

Should we start sending emails and riot? What would be the most appropriate medium for the appeal? Mail to John Black? What?

I think we should start it. We should somehow penetrate the media - the moment ESPN starts the trend, everyone repeats it.

Dumbarse of a coach for a HoF squad. Damn it. :bang:
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:42 am

if brown doesn't get his act together I don't see howard resigning here
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby OX1947 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:06 am

Johnnyboy wrote:if brown doesn't get his act together I don't see howard resigning here


If the Lakers flame out this year, Mike Brown will be sent out so fast, Dwight wouldnt even know he was his coach this year.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby kenzo on Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:15 am

Johnnyboy wrote:if brown doesn't get his act together I don't see howard resigning here

Crap, i never looked at it from this angle :panic2: Looks like we're not "only" wasting Kobe's and Steve's last years in the NBA.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby easyguy on Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:03 pm

Damn when clublakers went down the whole morning, I thought Mike Brown got fired. Did a news search and saw no new news about the Lakers.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby dj vitus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:23 pm

The way I see it, Jimmy boy will never admit fault for hiring MB, even if we started 5-12. Only way MB would be replaced by then is if Phil Jackson wanted to come back (like holding onto Bynum until Howard came along). Unfortunately, that would render Nash useless, so it's hopeless.

However, there is one coach with experience coaching a team of Hall of Famers...

Mike Krzyzewski! :man4:

Yes, he's turned down the Lakers' offer numerous times, but you never know. We should make a very serious offer. He's got to try with this line-up; he's got to. Too bad he won't be available til next year, if there was any hope.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby mastersworddude on Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:30 pm

dj vitus wrote:The way I see it, Jimmy boy will never admit fault for hiring MB, even if we started 5-12. Only way MB would be replaced by then is if Phil Jackson wanted to come back (like holding onto Bynum until Howard came along). Unfortunately, that would render Nash useless, so it's hopeless.

However, there is one coach with experience coaching a team of Hall of Famers...

Mike Krzyzewski! :man4:

Yes, he's turned down the Lakers' offer numerous times, but you never know. We should make a very serious offer. He's got to try with this line-up; he's got to. Too bad he won't be available til next year, if there was any hope.

That's a pipe dream. But it would be so amazing.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:03 pm

easyguy wrote:Damn when clublakers went down the whole morning, I thought Mike Brown got fired. Did a news search and saw no new news about the Lakers.


No such luck. Sorry guys, Coach K is pure pipe. Always has been. You've got to get over that one.

Brown's going to be here unless something ridiculously dumb happens, like a losing record to start to the season. But in reality, I think that might be a possibility if Kobe sits for an extended period of time. Of course, that will then be the new excuse for Brown - injuries.

I don't think Phil will ever return. There are reasons for that, mainly the rift between him and Jim Buss. That's not going to just go away. If you want Phil back I think you're asking too much. Not only would Jim Buss be acknowledging that he made a mistake with Brown (I think he's partially understood this already or he wouldn't have hired two head coaches in line right behind him), but he'd be conceding that he couldn't win a championship without Phil and he'd be basically giving in to Jackson. He won't do that. If you think he will, you're just dreaming.

If I were Jim Buss, however, I would chop Brown right now. We've seen enough of his act to know that he hinders more than helps our chances. He got his training camp, he got his roster upgrade, he got his preseason - and yet the last game we played looked worse than the first. He's disorganized and our players look confused out there. That's a coaching problem.

One option would be to go with the guys behind Brown, i.e. Eddie Jordan and Bernie Bickerstaff. While I think that's a viable option and I have more faith in those two than I do in Brown, I'm not sure either of them is truly in the elite class of coaches that I would ideally go with.

If I were Buss I would be calling Jerry Sloan about now. I noticed it discussed at LG this morning when CL was down and the more I think about it, Jerry Sloan would be a great fit for this team.

Number one, Kobe respects the hell out of Sloan. He's a no nonsense coach who doesn't take crap. And you want a good defensive coach? He'll run circles around Mike Clown.

Sloan gets the best out of his players and that can't be denied. They overachieve for him. He's direct, he's smart, he's a pain in the rear. Perfect. Just what you want in a guy to handle Dwight Howard who is a bit of a joker and needs to get more serious.

On top of that he's the master with a pick and roll guard and pick and roll big. Stockton and Malone ring a bell? Imagine what he could do with Nash and Howard. Nash and Pau. Kobe and Howard? Oh my. He'd have these guys playing simple but effective basketball that would utilize their talent perfectly.

And Jerry's got to be hungry for that ring. You know how competitive he's ALWAYS been. But he just couldn't get over the Bulls. With this team he'd finally have enough fire power to get over. Make it happen Jim!
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby dj vitus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:55 pm

I forgot Sloan is still on the market. He coached Stockton. In theory, he'd be great for Nash.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby karacha on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:58 pm

Sloan is an amazing, no-nonsense coach, but he is old. I'm not sure if he wants to come back.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:46 pm

karacha wrote:Sloan is an amazing, no-nonsense coach, but he is old. I'm not sure if he wants to come back.


Old? He's 70. What's the agism all about? It's not like he's playing the game, he's coaching it. Jeez. Phil is 67. Larry Brown is 72! Hubie Brown was coaching in his 70s and he was great! It's not like you lose your understanding of the game when you're that age or something. If anything he's probably got a better handle on it.

Just this summer he said he wanted to coach the Bobcats. You better believe he'd be stoked to coach the Lakers instead of Charlotte!! He wanted that gig. Just imagine if he was here. He'd make mincemeat out of weaker coaches like Scotty Brooks and Spoelstra. And he'd certainly do a better job against the good ones like Karl and Pop than Brown has done.

Sloan would be great.
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Re: Mike Brown Discussion: (Brown's last chance?)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:49 pm

dj vitus wrote:I forgot Sloan is still on the market. He coached Stockton. In theory, he'd be great for Nash.


In theory? In reality. Certainly better than he's being coached right now.

Plus imagine Kobe playing defense under Sloan. No more of this roaming and off/on D that he's been doing the last few years. He'd make the first team all Defense by earning it under Sloan!

Mike Brown has a rep for being a good Defensive coach but I don't think he's great in the real world. Sloan on the other hand is a tried and true defensive coach.
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