NJ Paper: RJ to Lakers a real possibility

Postby BB on Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:10 am

Maddocks15 wrote:actually odom grabs the rebound, takes it down, beats his man with his dribble, then blowns the layup.

I forgot to say, Odom isn't a great rebounder at the SF. Rebounding on the perimeter and inside are different things.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:24 am

leakbrewergator wrote:
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leakbrewergator wrote:RJ would be a waste of space on our roster.

He is a lesser 2 than Kobe and a lesser 3 than L.O.

The guy averages more points, is a better shooter and defender than LO. LO will never be able to force teams to spread their defences. He didn't do it in his whole career, he won't get a jumper amazingly at 30. Lamar is better at the 4, but that's about it.


Lamar will be the biggest match-up problem at the 3 next season. Jefferson's health is an issue.

I don't see Jefferson grabbing a rebound leading the break and posting up his man at the other end.

It's not all about shooting, if it were Stojakovic would be MVP every year.


WHY will Odom be a matchup problem? He won't be grabbing rebounds left and right because he's bigger than his sf counterpart. He won't be in a position to grab the boards. It's not like Odom has EVER taken advantage of a smaller man guarding him and posting him every time down the floor. And even if he was willing to do that, there won't be any room to post him with Gasol and Bynum down low.

To be honest you are correct. Odom WILL be a huge matchup problem, but the Lakers will be the one with the problem. His guy will blow past him on offense because he'll almost undoubtedly be faster. On defense, his guy will collapse down and make Gasol and Bynum's lives miserable because any kickout to the open Odom will clang off the rim.
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Postby rowemoore on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:38 am

Showtime is Magic wrote:
The Maverick wrote:If we couldn't get Artest or Marion, I'd want him.


Artest i agree but not Marion. Too much of a money lover and attention grabber. He doesnt get minutes, he gets pissed. Not a team player.


Yeah, Artest is a great team player who hates attention.
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Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:45 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
leakbrewergator wrote:
BB wrote:
leakbrewergator wrote:RJ would be a waste of space on our roster.

He is a lesser 2 than Kobe and a lesser 3 than L.O.

The guy averages more points, is a better shooter and defender than LO. LO will never be able to force teams to spread their defences. He didn't do it in his whole career, he won't get a jumper amazingly at 30. Lamar is better at the 4, but that's about it.


Lamar will be the biggest match-up problem at the 3 next season. Jefferson's health is an issue.

I don't see Jefferson grabbing a rebound leading the break and posting up his man at the other end.

It's not all about shooting, if it were Stojakovic would be MVP every year.


WHY will Odom be a matchup problem? He won't be grabbing rebounds left and right because he's bigger than his sf counterpart. He won't be in a position to grab the boards. It's not like Odom has EVER taken advantage of a smaller man guarding him and posting him every time down the floor. And even if he was willing to do that, there won't be any room to post him with Gasol and Bynum down low.

To be honest you are correct. Odom WILL be a huge matchup problem, but the Lakers will be the one with the problem. His guy will blow past him on offense because he'll almost undoubtedly be faster. On defense, his guy will collapse down and make Gasol and Bynum's lives miserable because any kickout to the open Odom will clang off the rim.


Great post Savory. :bow: These are the exact reasons I am so dubious about LO at the 3. And let's face it - it's not an unknown . . . we've seen the guy play the SF already and he's proven that he sucks at it in LA. I don't want to revisit the experiment. How is it going to change?
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Postby Andrew Evenstar on Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:54 am

Anyone on this board, or a Laker fan in general who is still hoping for Lamar to show up, or improve his game this late in his career is mistaken.

The only matchup Lamar has really ever exploited was against Shawn Marion in the playoffs. And that's it. It is time to let the Lamar project go and send him to the projects in New Jersey or Charlotte. We need an agressive offensive and defensive player at the 3. Lamar is neither. Everytime he tries to be aggressive we see him out of control; picking up offensive fouls. He's only really great in the fast break game grabbing rebounds and pushing the ball. We don't need anymore what he brings to us now that we have Bynum back.

Lamar must go. Bringing him back would almost be taking a step back when we have the opportunity to bring in someone like Artest, RJ, or G. Wallace.

Case closed.
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Postby JSM on Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:21 am

Bergen Record: We’ve been saying all along that the Nets are looking for new homes for Richard Jefferson, Marcus Williams, Keith Van Horn’s contract, Trenton Hassell, their trade exception and even one or more of their picks this year or in the future.
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Postby Radner on Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:29 am

As much as I would to get RJ, I just think the Blazers have the upperhand on us when it comes to a deal.

Raef + Outlaw or Webster is untouchable. The Blazers may end up throwing in their pick to sweeten the deal.
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Postby mapabu1 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:39 am

The Blazers can put together a better package but I see why they would go after RJ..
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Postby pd23 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:00 pm

Nj doesn't want young players back, they want expiring deals and are also willing to trade the #10 pick. They want to be well under the cap in 2010 to go after Bron. Here is what Chad Ford just said on ESPN.COM on a Mock draft that is going on.


Pick No. 10: New Jersey Nets




Chad Ford selects: Darrell Arthur, Kansas



Let the LeBron 2010 Sweepstakes begin. The Nets are dangling this pick along with Richard Jefferson in an attempt to get under the cap by the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... ate-080624
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Postby Radner on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:03 pm

pd23 wrote:Nj doesn't want young players back, they want expiring deals and are also willing to trade the #10 pick. They want to be well under the cap in 2010 to go after Bron. Here is what Chad Ford just said on ESPN.COM on a Mock draft that is going on.


Pick No. 10: New Jersey Nets




Chad Ford selects: Darrell Arthur, Kansas



Let the LeBron 2010 Sweepstakes begin. The Nets are dangling this pick along with Richard Jefferson in an attempt to get under the cap by the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... ate-080624


Well, if the Nets don't want young players back, then the Blazers can always trade LaFrentz's contract along with other expirings for RJ.

Either way you slice it, the Blazers have a better deal.
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Postby pd23 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:06 pm

Radner wrote:
pd23 wrote:Nj doesn't want young players back, they want expiring deals and are also willing to trade the #10 pick. They want to be well under the cap in 2010 to go after Bron. Here is what Chad Ford just said on ESPN.COM on a Mock draft that is going on.


Pick No. 10: New Jersey Nets




Chad Ford selects: Darrell Arthur, Kansas



Let the LeBron 2010 Sweepstakes begin. The Nets are dangling this pick along with Richard Jefferson in an attempt to get under the cap by the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... ate-080624


Well, if the Nets don't want young players back, then the Blazers can always trade LaFrentz's contract along with other expirings for him.

Either way you slice it, the Blazers have a better deal.
True, but if they want their fans to think that they still are trying to put a winning team on the floor, the one year rental of Odom is the way to go.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:09 pm

Radner wrote:
pd23 wrote:Nj doesn't want young players back, they want expiring deals and are also willing to trade the #10 pick. They want to be well under the cap in 2010 to go after Bron. Here is what Chad Ford just said on ESPN.COM on a Mock draft that is going on.


Pick No. 10: New Jersey Nets




Chad Ford selects: Darrell Arthur, Kansas



Let the LeBron 2010 Sweepstakes begin. The Nets are dangling this pick along with Richard Jefferson in an attempt to get under the cap by the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... ate-080624


Well, if the Nets don't want young players back, then the Blazers can always trade LaFrentz's contract along with other expirings for him.

Either they way you slice it, the Blazers have a better deal.


Just because Chad Ford says they are trying to get under the cap by 2010, doesn't mean they wouldn't take young players back. Besides, Outlaw and Webster BOTH expire before LBJ is a FA. It'd be better to have the option to resign Outlaw to a nice contract if the LBJ thing fell through.

Outlaw or Webster plus Raef for Jefferson and the 10th completely blows away anything we can do.
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Postby Radner on Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:14 pm

pd23 wrote:
Radner wrote:
pd23 wrote:Nj doesn't want young players back, they want expiring deals and are also willing to trade the #10 pick. They want to be well under the cap in 2010 to go after Bron. Here is what Chad Ford just said on ESPN.COM on a Mock draft that is going on.


Pick No. 10: New Jersey Nets




Chad Ford selects: Darrell Arthur, Kansas



Let the LeBron 2010 Sweepstakes begin. The Nets are dangling this pick along with Richard Jefferson in an attempt to get under the cap by the summer of 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008 ... ate-080624


Well, if the Nets don't want young players back, then the Blazers can always trade LaFrentz's contract along with other expirings for him.

Either way you slice it, the Blazers have a better deal.
True, but if they want their fans to think that they still are trying to put a winning team on the floor, the one year rental of Odom is the way to go.


Not really.

If the Nets want their fans to know that they're truly building towards the future, then they take the LaFrentz + 13 pick + Outlaw or Webster.

Also, it's always a good idea to have a backup plan (young players) in case an event doesn't go as planned (LeBron re-signs with Cavs).
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Postby JSM on Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:24 pm

Traded to the Bucks.

There goes that.
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