Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Who gets your vote?

Jerry Sloan
17
10%
Stan Van Gundy
25
15%
Jeff Van Gundy
45
27%
George Carl
14
8%
Byron Scott
17
10%
Kurt Rambis
7
4%
Someone else
38
23%
 
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Re: Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Postby 432J on Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:40 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:So the hope is that Jim Buss voluntarily gives up his position...

that would be ideal yes
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Postby lotus on Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:20 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:So the hope is that Jim Buss voluntarily gives up his position...

Yes. Any other way would likely mean an internal family war of some sort and that will just weaken the organization, though I doubt Patrick Soon-Shiong would mine. He could always offer to buy the Buss family out. :man12: I bet he would direct the organization to do what it takes to be the best.
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Postby West's Formula 44 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:40 pm

lotus wrote:Yes. Any other way would likely mean an internal family war of some sort and that will just weaken the organization, though I doubt Patrick Soon-Shiong would mine. He could always offer to buy the Buss family out. :man12: I bet he would direct the organization to do what it takes to be the best.


That might be best. Jeanie seems to have inherited the brains in their family. But would Jim give up his identity? If he sold out he would be just another millionaire in a land of millionaires (please curse me with that affliction). Sort of like Peter O'Malley selling the Dodgers. How many times was O'Malley's name brought up as a potential buyer for the Dodgers after he sold out to Fox? Walter O'Malley (like Jerry Buss) bordered on genius. He changed the landscape of Major League baseball by moving out West. He brought the Giants with him. He got Chavez Ravine for 2.5 million dollars, payable at zero percent interest over 25 years. $100,000 a year for a team that recently sold for over 2 billion dollars. Then he built his own stadium. A stadium that still ranks as among the most scenic in all of professional sports.

Peter wasn't quite retarded. He was just slow to realize the potential earnings of the Dodgers. He kept them a Mom and Pop store during his entire tenure. That resulted in an inordinately low payroll for a market this size and NO playoff victories after 1988. Zero. Zip. But we did have all those Rookies of the Year. Peter just didn't know how to pull the trigger on trades at the Major League level to put us over the top. Or maybe he didn't want to add that much payroll. Either way, we became also-rans. Jim might actually be brain damaged, judging by some of his arrogant public statements about the value of professional scouts. He scares me. Would Jim voluntarily give up the power that comes from being part of Los Angeles royalty? I'm sure Peter O'Malley still regrets that decision. My guess is the Lakers will have to be wrested from Jim's cold dead hands.

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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:19 pm

What makes everyone think Jeanie would be better? The old man picked Jimmy and everyone respects his decisions except this one. PR is one thing....making basketball decisions is another.

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Postby Lakerjones on Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:07 pm

Rooscooter wrote:What makes everyone think Jeanie would be better? The old man picked Jimmy and everyone respects his decisions except this one. PR is one thing....making basketball decisions is another.

Devils to me.... One we know...one we don't.


I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so? She's always been the winner of the bunch in terms of the Buss kids. I think the apple fell closest to the tree with her as opposed to Jim and Johnny. She's more like her dad than the boys. She's smart, she's the hardest worker, she's been in the Laker organization the longest. There's something about her that just makes you trust her - she's a success. And it's always felt like she's very in touch with the fans. I think that she would leave her ego behind like her dad did and surround herself with people who could do the best possible job.

I don't feel the same way about Jim. And I don't think many people do. He's already told the fans through Mitch that he doesn't care what they think. He's also made a complete disaster out of the last three coaching hires he's been in charge of. There have been some personnel moves that he's been responsible for that I like, but as far as running the whole basketball organization, I think he's in over his head. And I don't mean to be a jerk about this but he doesn't strike me as being smart at all. The things he's said in the past have been, quite honestly, pretty dumb.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:30 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:What makes everyone think Jeanie would be better? The old man picked Jimmy and everyone respects his decisions except this one. PR is one thing....making basketball decisions is another.

Devils to me.... One we know...one we don't.


I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so? She's always been the winner of the bunch in terms of the Buss kids. I think the apple fell closest to the tree with her as opposed to Jim and Johnny. She's more like her dad than the boys. She's smart, she's the hardest worker, she's been in the Laker organization the longest. There's something about her that just makes you trust her - she's a success. And it's always felt like she's very in touch with the fans. I think that she would leave her ego behind like her dad did and surround herself with people who could do the best possible job.

I don't feel the same way about Jim. And I don't think many people do. He's already told the fans through Mitch that he doesn't care what they think. He's also made a complete disaster out of the last three coaching hires he's been in charge of. There have been some personnel moves that he's been responsible for that I like, but as far as running the whole basketball organization, I think he's in over his head. And I don't mean to be a jerk about this but he doesn't strike me as being smart at all. The things he's said in the past have been, quite honestly, pretty dumb.


Being dedicated and good at one thing doesn't mean you can just something else as well..... Michael Jordan comes to mind....

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Postby West's Formula 44 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:38 pm

Lakerjones wrote:I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so?


The better question would be what makes people think otherwise? Because she's a woman? What's Jim's expertise that would sway their opinion? Standing upright in a urinal?
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:09 pm

West's Formula 44 wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so?


The better question would be what makes people think otherwise? Because she's a woman? What's Jim's expertise that would away their opinion? Standing upright in a urinal?

Random sexism. :man10:
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Postby West's Formula 44 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:13 pm

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Lakerjones wrote:I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so?


The better question would be what makes people think otherwise? Because she's a woman? What's Jim's expertise that would away their opinion? Standing upright in a urinal?

Random sexism. :man10:


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Postby lakersfever on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 pm

I wanna see Jim Buss fire himself first. Otherwise I'm not really interested. These will be tough times and there will be a lot of tough decisions to be made and I have no confidence in Jim Buss making them at all. Anywho, if I had my way, I'd hire Thibs if he was available. Otherwise, Jerry Sloan would be 2nd option.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:22 pm

West's Formula 44 wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so?


The better question would be what makes people think otherwise? Because she's a woman? What's Jim's expertise that would sway their opinion? Standing upright in a urinal?


If your going to take a shot at least do it like a man and quote my post.

As for your CS "people"comment..... Read the rest of it. It has nothing to do with anything other than experience and years of observing people successful at one thing flat out fail at another. You can search for some other reason that makes you sound superior, but the again there is a personality profile that fits that as well isn't there?
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Postby Lakerjones on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:22 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:What makes everyone think Jeanie would be better? The old man picked Jimmy and everyone respects his decisions except this one. PR is one thing....making basketball decisions is another.

Devils to me.... One we know...one we don't.


I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so? She's always been the winner of the bunch in terms of the Buss kids. I think the apple fell closest to the tree with her as opposed to Jim and Johnny. She's more like her dad than the boys. She's smart, she's the hardest worker, she's been in the Laker organization the longest. There's something about her that just makes you trust her - she's a success. And it's always felt like she's very in touch with the fans. I think that she would leave her ego behind like her dad did and surround herself with people who could do the best possible job.

I don't feel the same way about Jim. And I don't think many people do. He's already told the fans through Mitch that he doesn't care what they think. He's also made a complete disaster out of the last three coaching hires he's been in charge of. There have been some personnel moves that he's been responsible for that I like, but as far as running the whole basketball organization, I think he's in over his head. And I don't mean to be a jerk about this but he doesn't strike me as being smart at all. The things he's said in the past have been, quite honestly, pretty dumb.


Being dedicated and good at one thing doesn't mean you can just something else as well..... Michael Jordan comes to mind....

As I said, devil we know and one we don't.


Well, it hasn't come to this yet. But if it does, I wouldn't be sad about it. Jordan isn't a good analogy for Jeanie in my opinion. Jordan has a gigantic ego, and he's a gambling addict as well. I don't see what he has in common with Jeannie - more likely it's Jimbo he has things in common with. Both of them seem to have their egos in the way of their decision making. That's something I personally don't think will be an issue with Jeanie.

Sure like you said, one we don't know one we do, but Jeanie has at least done a good job with what she's been given all of her professional life. Jim, not so much. I would take my chances with her and I would feel comfortable with it.

Again, we're not there yet. We're sucking this year, but Jim and Mitch still have a shot to right the ship. We shall see.
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Re: Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:34 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:What makes everyone think Jeanie would be better? The old man picked Jimmy and everyone respects his decisions except this one. PR is one thing....making basketball decisions is another.

Devils to me.... One we know...one we don't.


I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so? She's always been the winner of the bunch in terms of the Buss kids. I think the apple fell closest to the tree with her as opposed to Jim and Johnny. She's more like her dad than the boys. She's smart, she's the hardest worker, she's been in the Laker organization the longest. There's something about her that just makes you trust her - she's a success. And it's always felt like she's very in touch with the fans. I think that she would leave her ego behind like her dad did and surround herself with people who could do the best possible job.

I don't feel the same way about Jim. And I don't think many people do. He's already told the fans through Mitch that he doesn't care what they think. He's also made a complete disaster out of the last three coaching hires he's been in charge of. There have been some personnel moves that he's been responsible for that I like, but as far as running the whole basketball organization, I think he's in over his head. And I don't mean to be a jerk about this but he doesn't strike me as being smart at all. The things he's said in the past have been, quite honestly, pretty dumb.


Being dedicated and good at one thing doesn't mean you can just something else as well..... Michael Jordan comes to mind....

As I said, devil we know and one we don't.


Well, it hasn't come to this yet. But if it does, I wouldn't be sad about it. Jordan isn't a good analogy for Jeanie in my opinion. Jordan has a gigantic ego, and he's a gambling addict as well. I don't see what he has in common with Jeannie - more likely it's Jimbo he has things in common with. Both of them seem to have their egos in the way of their decision making. That's something I personally don't think will be an issue with Jeanie.

Sure like you said, one we don't know one we do, but Jeanie has at least done a good job with what she's been given all of her professional life. Jim, not so much. I would take my chances with her and I would feel comfortable with it.

Again, we're not there yet. We're sucking this year, but Jim and Mitch still have a shot to right the ship. We shall see.


You set the bar by saying she is dedicated and great at what she does.... Nobody did it better than Jordan.... And in in the same field to boot.

Point being..... No one knows that she would be better but just wanting it to be true seems thin.

Anyway I don't think all of our current troubles are Jim's fault..... They happened and before we bury another Buss we should see how thing play out in a complete cycle first. The 90's weren't so hot and we had the Dr and West leading that mess for years before we got Shaq and Kobe. That took 6 years to get the players and another 3 to win.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:08 pm

Say what you want Roos, but at least we know Jeanie picks better coaches than Jimmy. :man12:
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Postby West's Formula 44 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:15 pm

Anyway I don't think all of our current troubles are Jim's fault..... They happened and before we bury another Buss we should see how thing play out in a complete cycle first.


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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:04 am

Vasashi17 wrote:Say what you want Roos, but at least we know Jeanie picks better coaches than Jimmy. :man12:


Revisionist history I see….. Wasn't the good Dr. still alive when we signed MDA? So you know for a fact that ONLY Jimmy made that decision? :man12:

Anyway… I'm not here to defend Jimmy, Jerry or Jeanie…. just pointing out that eras end and they begin. The last time we had this much transition in Laker Land we had a healthy Jerry and another Jerry (who everyone says is the greatest GM ever) and it still took 10 years.

Coaches during that time:
Dunleavy
Pfund
Bertka
Magic
Harris
Bertka
Rambis
Jackson (next championship).

Coaching isn't the issue IMHO if we're talking about contention…. when we are able to assemble a team of players ready again MDA will be long gone…. maybe 5 or 6 years gone for all we know.

It's convenient to blame just one "villain" and direct all that is wrong to him while finding one "savior" that will change everything…. Hollywood is full of stories like this…. just that they are 99% fiction. Reality is that we are not in a position to be a good team and won't be for at least 2 years if everything falls our way and longer if it doesn't. This will separate the fans on the edge of the wagon from the ones that have been here through a transition.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:44 am

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West's Formula 44 wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:I think Jeanie would do better. What makes me think so?


The better question would be what makes people think otherwise? Because she's a woman? What's Jim's expertise that would away their opinion? Standing upright in a urinal?

Random sexism. :man10:


That's what I was afraid of.

what? :man10:

I think very few people, especially on this board, think Jeanie shouldn't be the President of Operations because she's a woman. I think some people don't want her to be president because she hasn't given us any reason to think she'd be better at it than her brother. She might be, but who knows?
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Postby sister golden hair on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:50 am

I think many people misunderstand what Jeannie would be required to do if she were to become head of basketball operations. The biggest misconception that people are seemingly making is assuming that she would have to do much player evaluation. I don't think she would do any player evaluation. Jimmie's problem is that he's inserted himself into the player evaluation business and simply lacks the pedigree, acumen and experience to do a very good job of it. Only a handful of basketball owners in any sport (Jerry Jones comes to mind) try to put their own "stamp" on the talent evaluation and acquisition end of things. When they do, the results are usually not very good. Think of other owners who like to meddle (and who lack the know-how) -- guys like Gilbert in Cleveland, and the results are ghastly.

Jeannie seems smart enough to know that she would have to delegate those requirements of the job Jimmie is doing which, frankly, he shouldn't even be trying to do himself. As "owner" I would think and hope that she hires (or deputizes) a few key actors to fulfill several important roles. First, she'd need a guy to do the work that Pat Riley does in Miami: develop and overall philosophy for the franchise; assist in hiring a coach who can add to and build on that philosophy with his choice of offensive and defensive systems; and guide in the acquisition of talent consistent with the developed approaches. I would also hope that she would shift resources (back to) to the scouting department to evaluate and acquire talent based on the franchise culture and philosophy. She would have the final word on how much to spend, but I would think she would leave it to the basketball minds to fill-in the specifics.

The key is selecting the right person to be a kind of franchise ombudsman. I don't know who that person would be. Obviously, Phil would be one possibility. But even if it were Phil, I still think you need a dedicated GM to handle and oversee the day-to-day business of scouting, evaluation, etc. Talent evaluation is NOT an easy science, Jimmie's past claims notwithstanding. The reason you see people like Jerry West and Pat Riley have success wherever they go is because they have an elite ability to find value, not simply with the superstars, but also with mid-range complementary players. They know that building a team is just as much an alchemical process as it is an additive one.The new wave of sabermetricians have a place as well, but I think their work needs to be balanced with an experienced talent evaluator like a West or a Riley. There are other guys in the league -- young guys like OKC's GM who came up in the Spurs system -- who are around and maybe haven't yet become well-known to the public. But they are around. Look a the job that Neil Olshay is doing in Portland.

The point is: Jimmy is trying to do work that is hard for even the grandmasters to always do well at. And he's trying to do so with a stripped-down scouting staff at a time when new methods have emerged and are being mastered and implemented by folks with PhDs in mathematics. Jimmie is in far over his head. And I am frankly baffled that people keep defending him when some of his decisions -- namely in hiring head coaches -- have simply been bizarre in focus and execution.

Jeannie seems far smarter in that she knows what she doesn't know. Her best skills are communication, which is what Jimmie is lousy at. I think she d' be very good in that role. I just don't get why people assume that she would be in over her head. There' was an article not long ago quoting some NBA honcho (perhaps anonymously) who said that in NBA circles, Jeannie is already seen as the head of the franchise. She's known in NBA circles. She's charming and carries herself with an aura of intelligent competence. I don't get that same vibe from Jimmie. Maybe I'm wrong, but he is not someone who seems to have much gravitas.

Many have pointed out that Jerry chose Jimmie for the role Jimmie is doing, but even if one accepts that claim for the sake of argument (one would be assuming that Old Doc knew Jimmie would want to make day-to-day decisions about talent, trades, etc.), that's not the way Old Doc did it in his time. While the Doc himself saved the final veto power for himself in give situations (not all of them)(e.g., will they extend Shaq or not?), but I don't recall his claiming to have personally scouted players and decided yay or nay on this or that one. (BTW, the scuttlebutt was that Old Doc was appalled by the Nash trade -- because he thought it was bad for the bottom line (which it has been), but closed rancks to protect Jimmie's rep. So be it.)

Besides, filial affection has clouded many passings of the torch. Even Don Corleone (who once had all the power and ruled like a king) finally fessed up and admited that Sonny -- his first chosen successor -- was a Bad Don.

Well, Jimmie is a horrible Don. I don't expect the quality of his decisions to improve with time.

That's just my two cents. But even as far back as the Rudy T. hire, I felt that Jimmie was in way over his head. Subsequent decisions made by him since have only added to that sense of dread.
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Postby The Laker Link on Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:30 am

I think I would be happy with the Van Gundy Bros first, then George Karl, after that would depend. Aldelman getting fired? Thibbs? Anyone wanna beg Phil to come back as an assistant at least?
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Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:24 am

sister golden hair wrote:I think many people misunderstand what Jeannie would be required to do if she were to become head of basketball operations. The biggest misconception that people are seemingly making is assuming that she would have to do much player evaluation. I don't think she would do any player evaluation. Jimmie's problem is that he's inserted himself into the player evaluation business and simply lacks the pedigree, acumen and experience to do a very good job of it. Only a handful of basketball owners in any sport (Jerry Jones comes to mind) try to put their own "stamp" on the talent evaluation and acquisition end of things. When they do, the results are usually not very good. Think of other owners who like to meddle (and who lack the know-how) -- guys like Gilbert in Cleveland, and the results are ghastly.

Jeannie seems smart enough to know that she would have to delegate those requirements of the job Jimmie is doing which, frankly, he shouldn't even be trying to do himself. As "owner" I would think and hope that she hires (or deputizes) a few key actors to fulfill several important roles. First, she'd need a guy to do the work that Pat Riley does in Miami: develop and overall philosophy for the franchise; assist in hiring a coach who can add to and build on that philosophy with his choice of offensive and defensive systems; and guide in the acquisition of talent consistent with the developed approaches. I would also hope that she would shift resources (back to) to the scouting department to evaluate and acquire talent based on the franchise culture and philosophy. She would have the final word on how much to spend, but I would think she would leave it to the basketball minds to fill-in the specifics.

The key is selecting the right person to be a kind of franchise ombudsman. I don't know who that person would be. Obviously, Phil would be one possibility. But even if it were Phil, I still think you need a dedicated GM to handle and oversee the day-to-day business of scouting, evaluation, etc. Talent evaluation is NOT an easy science, Jimmie's past claims notwithstanding. The reason you see people like Jerry West and Pat Riley have success wherever they go is because they have an elite ability to find value, not simply with the superstars, but also with mid-range complementary players. They know that building a team is just as much an alchemical process as it is an additive one.The new wave of sabermetricians have a place as well, but I think their work needs to be balanced with an experienced talent evaluator like a West or a Riley. There are other guys in the league -- young guys like OKC's GM who came up in the Spurs system -- who are around and maybe haven't yet become well-known to the public. But they are around. Look a the job that Neil Olshay is doing in Portland.

The point is: Jimmy is trying to do work that is hard for even the grandmasters to always do well at. And he's trying to do so with a stripped-down scouting staff at a time when new methods have emerged and are being mastered and implemented by folks with PhDs in mathematics. Jimmie is in far over his head. And I am frankly baffled that people keep defending him when some of his decisions -- namely in hiring head coaches -- have simply been bizarre in focus and execution.

Jeannie seems far smarter in that she knows what she doesn't know. Her best skills are communication, which is what Jimmie is lousy at. I think she d' be very good in that role. I just don't get why people assume that she would be in over her head. There' was an article not long ago quoting some NBA honcho (perhaps anonymously) who said that in NBA circles, Jeannie is already seen as the head of the franchise. She's known in NBA circles. She's charming and carries herself with an aura of intelligent competence. I don't get that same vibe from Jimmie. Maybe I'm wrong, but he is not someone who seems to have much gravitas.

Many have pointed out that Jerry chose Jimmie for the role Jimmie is doing, but even if one accepts that claim for the sake of argument (one would be assuming that Old Doc knew Jimmie would want to make day-to-day decisions about talent, trades, etc.), that's not the way Old Doc did it in his time. While the Doc himself saved the final veto power for himself in give situations (not all of them)(e.g., will they extend Shaq or not?), but I don't recall his claiming to have personally scouted players and decided yay or nay on this or that one. (BTW, the scuttlebutt was that Old Doc was appalled by the Nash trade -- because he thought it was bad for the bottom line (which it has been), but closed rancks to protect Jimmie's rep. So be it.)

Besides, filial affection has clouded many passings of the torch. Even Don Corleone (who once had all the power and ruled like a king) finally fessed up and admited that Sonny -- his first chosen successor -- was a Bad Don.

Well, Jimmie is a horrible Don. I don't expect the quality of his decisions to improve with time.

That's just my two cents. But even as far back as the Rudy T. hire, I felt that Jimmie was in way over his head. Subsequent decisions made by him since have only added to that sense of dread.


:bow: Um . . . hugest possible +1 to what Sister Golden Hair just so eloquently said.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:32 am

sister golden hair wrote:The biggest misconception that people are seemingly making is assuming that she would have to do much player evaluation. I don't think she would do any player evaluation. Jimmie's problem is that he's inserted himself into the player evaluation business and simply lacks the pedigree, acumen and experience to do a very good job of it.


Two words….. Sean May. Two more…. Andrew Bynum. While I may agree that Jimmy isn't a great evaluator of talent I'd be hard pressed to find tangible proof of that. He was the catalyst in getting Bynum over May who was the choice of Phil/Mitch. I'd say at least in this publicly known instance he did OK.

In fact, I'd say the personnel choices under Jimmy have been much better than the previous 5 years. I didn't like the Paul or Howard moves one bit but I'm in the minority here. Most you guys loved those moves. Most here loved the Nash move as well. This years surprising "trash to treasure" finds are under his watch as well. No Luke or Radman contracts in sight recently either.

As for personnel moves going forward…. I'd rather have the unknown of Jimmy/Mitch than the known of Phil's influence. His publicly known player preferences over the years scare me. JO for Bynum, Kidd for Kobe, Kidd for Bynum etc. He's a fantastic coach but there is little in his resume' to suggest he can pick players for a system that isn't his…..

I'd say most of what we are going through is a product of winning and keeping in contention for as long as we did. There is a "yang" to that and we are in the midst of it. Is Jimmy the best option? Who knows until we actually move ahead. He was here when we made some bold moves 90% of this forum loved (Paul, Howard, Nash, Bynum) so I don't get the complete and total hate.
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Re: Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:12 am

sister golden hair-

The problem is you're assuming Jeanie knows/would do all of those things. We don't need JEANIE necessarily to do those things, just somebody. Heck, that somebody could be Jimmy just as easily as Jeanie.

We just need an owner with that mindset and we don't have it. What most people are saying is that there's really no evidence that Jeanie would be something different than her brother. Maybe she would. Or maybe a move in that direction just makes things worse.

I think the best answer is for Jimmy to just step back and be President like you said. The second best answer isn't Jeanie, it's another owner. Guggenheim maybe. Just move beyond the Buss era of the Lakers.
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Postby Azndude2190 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:32 am

I doubt any of you would step back or step down if you were in Jimmy's shoes.
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Re: Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:10 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:I doubt any of you would step back or step down if you were in Jimmy's shoes.

I would certainly take the president's position and hand decision making over to somebody else.

1. I'm relieved of the stress of the position. When something goes wrong, I'm less responsible.
2. I get to relax and the fan scrutiny is less in the city that I live in.
3. I give up absolutely zero power. I'm still the president, I still get final say, I still get to influence decisions. But I'm not the one that the heat falls on if decisions get muddled.
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Postby Azndude2190 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:47 pm

IMO, you're still looking at it from a poster at CL perspective. No one really knows the circumstances and family dynamics of both Jim Buss or his family.
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