Who's the next Laker coach? (NEW POLL, VOTE FOR 2!)

Who gets your vote?

Jerry Sloan
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10%
Stan Van Gundy
25
15%
Jeff Van Gundy
45
27%
George Carl
14
8%
Byron Scott
17
10%
Kurt Rambis
7
4%
Someone else
38
23%
 
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:45 pm

Fans are happy that MDA is gone but want Byron Scott :man10:

Lionel Hollins or Stan Van Gundy ... these are the 2 obvious only good choices .. unless Vogel gets fired which I doubt ...

Ollie is fine in my book too ...
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Postby Center Court on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:52 pm

The Rock wrote:Scott has coached rookies well

CP3 - Rookie of the year
Kyrie - Rookie of the year
Kenyon- 2nd in Rookie of the year

Sure those guys would've been successful regardless but Buss needs to go with someone who has a track of developing rookies well instead of taking chances like he did in the last couple of hires and hoping for good results.

I wouldn't mind SVG either...he helped Wade and Dwight (not a rook) along quite nicely in their early years in the league.



I think you hit it on the head... Bryon can groom rookies (especially PG-- Exum) but can command Kobe's respect, admiration, and trust. Nice bridge between the present and future.
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Postby BDG on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:53 pm

Derek Fisher might be among possible candidates, according to Woj. Article is semi-speculation but seems he knows that Fisher is willing to listen to such an offer:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-lakers-should-take-long-look-at-derek-fisher-to-replace-mike-d-antoni-as-coach-061917950.html
LOS ANGELES – As little as Mike D'Antoni wanted to coach Kobe Bryant in the end, Bryant wanted to play for D'Antoni even less. They had barely communicated for months, steering clear until a permanent parting on Wednesday night. They would've been miserable together, would've inevitably imploded the Los Angeles Lakers locker room.

D'Antoni is a great offensive mind, but his difficulties with Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Bryant have played a part in the unraveling of his coaching career. Lakers management had a willingness to bring him back next year, but refused to make a commitment beyond 2015.

The Lakers have lost talent, lost stability, lost what separates winning and losing franchises. Bryant won't pick the next coach, the way he had no input into Mike Brown and little into D'Antoni. Bryant will wish for Tom Thibodeau to free himself from Chicago. He loves Jeff Van Gundy, and shares management's affinity for Euro legend Ettore Messina, who spent a season on Mike Brown's staff.

Bryant has long admired Byron Scott, but there's a different ex-Lakers guard who could go much further to regenerate the franchise's culture and hold the insight into getting the most out of Bryant's final two seasons: Derek Fisher.

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Kevin Durant (left) could be a free-agent target for the Lakers in 2016. (USA Today)
Once the Oklahoma City Thunder's season ends, Fisher will have a willingness to listen to coaching, front office and broadcasting possibilities. As for the Lakers' coaching job, it holds tremendous appeal to him, sources with knowledge of his thinking told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday night. For now, the Thunder's 3-2 deficit to Memphis holds his full focus, but there's no rush for the Lakers to hire a coach now.

The Lakers need to make themselves a destination again. Free agency has major importance in 2015 and '16 for the Lakers, and they'll need to be positioned to make a run at Kevin Durant.

Superstars want desperately to consider the Lakers in free agency, but they won't go anywhere based only on geography and banners. They'll need to see an infrastructure of talent, management structure and coaching. Durant will want a culture, and Fisher could've grown into the job by '16 to sell him on the Lakers' brand.

It is risky to hire a coach with no experience, but the right minds and right coaching staffs can make it work. Fisher will command respect and he'll be synonymous with a championship heritage that Lakers fans crave as a face of the franchise. Fisher is close to the end with the Thunder, and he'll be the rare non-star to choose his next direction: management, coaching or television.

He's smart enough to figure them all out, but coaching the Lakers would be the most tempting of all for Fisher. History with Bryant in the short term – and history with Durant in the long term – are legitimate benefits in pursuit of this job. The Lakers won't be reconstructed overnight, but through the draft and trades and ultimately free agency. There are good candidate cases to be made elsewhere in the Lakers' search process, but the most intriguing could be the most unconventional: out of the Thunder backcourt and onto the Lakers bench.

Derek Fisher is nearing the end, and willing to listen. This is a call the Buss family and Mitch Kupchak must make, a conversation with Fisher they owe it to the franchise to have sooner than later.
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Postby last stand on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:57 pm

I don't want fisher anywhere near as a head coach. as an assistant? Absolutely
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Postby Armani on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:59 pm

Kevin Ollie anyone? I really think we should get a young up and coming coach... but I doubt we'll go in that direction.
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Postby Weezy on Thu May 01, 2014 12:04 am

I find the idea of Fisher very interesting. We need to try something new here, we need to look in a new direction, not IMO another old coach that's a big name like Karl. I like the idea of Lionel Hollins too, but he's also already 60, and I know that's not THAT old, but realistically at that age how long could he stick around. IMO we need to start building a culture here that's gonna be around a while, and find the right fit with this next coach, to at least go INTO the hiring thinking long-term hire. I don't see a title in our short-term future, so I don't see a need to hire an old coach that wants to or expects to win now, or doesn't like playing or developing young players or somethIng, even Phil Jackson wouldn't be the right choice to me were he still available. I kinda like the idea of maybe giving Fisher a shot, or Ollie, or just someone young and on the rise, we need to shake it up here IMO. Specifically Fisher though, he does seem like he's gonna be a coach at some point, probably a pretty good one in time. I don't see this happening, but the idea really doesn't sound bad to me at all.
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Postby revgen on Thu May 01, 2014 12:07 am

Interesting article from Woj. However, I think it's a bit premature, especially with OKC in the playoff hunt.

I think Mitch and co will give him a call after the playoffs to see how he's doing and what he sees himself doing after retirement. I wouldn't mind hiring Fish as a HC, but I'd like the FO to do their due diligence and see who else is out there. Don't rush to judgement like we did with the last 2 hires.
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Postby Alleyhoops on Thu May 01, 2014 12:10 am

Op, I would really suggest adding Lionel Hollins to that list. I think there are quite a few in this forum that have great respect and admiration for what he built in Memphis, and his imprint is still on that squad. He's solid.
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Postby Alleyhoops on Thu May 01, 2014 12:10 am

Op, I would really suggest adding Lionel Hollins to that list. I think there are quite a few in this forum that have great respect and admiration for what he built in Memphis, and his imprint is still on that squad. He's solid.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 01, 2014 12:15 am

We need a coaching staff which puts in place a defensive culture and develops young players ...

I'm not sure why we should hire people who never coach in their life ... PASS on Fisher, Kerr ect ... We are the Lakers , not the Bucks
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Postby Barnstable on Thu May 01, 2014 12:16 am

Oh, no question, if Fisher is willing to Coach, I want him above all other candidates! Yes it is a risk. But honestly, how many top head coaches with tons of experience, are there still in the league? Pop... that's about it.

We're coming to a time when a new generation of younger coaches will start taking over and it just so happens to coincide with our team starting from square one as well. Seem like perfect timing to me.

As to if Fish can do it, he was head of the players association, so we know he's smart, knows how to talk to people, network and build relationships. Kobe loves him, so we know he knows how to deal with extreme personalities, he has a winners determination and work ethic. He's worked with Phil for years, so he's seen the habits of a great head coach and knows what worked. He's tough as nails. We know he was one of the leaders on our championship teams. What else do we need to know really? There's literally no one better coming from the player ranks any time soon.

Sometimes a risk is the right move, and I think this is that time.
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Postby Armani on Thu May 01, 2014 12:19 am

I really don't like the idea of Fish jumping right to HC. There's no question he's got the right temperament, but he has absolutely no experience at all... that's sort of like Jason Kidd jumping to HC. It'd be a lot better if Fish started off as an assistant, and was groomed into an HC for the future. I really don't want to take a risk at this point... we have dealt with incompetence long enough.
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Postby Barnstable on Thu May 01, 2014 12:22 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:We need a coaching staff which puts in place a defensive culture and develops young players ...

I'm not sure why we should hire people who never coach in their life ... PASS on Fisher, Kerr ect ... We are the Lakers , not the Bucks


Because everyone has to start somewhere, and since we're starting from near square one, why not try to build for the long term future.

How long would any of these older coaches stay? The 3+ years it will take to build a champion?

No, it's a new day. We need to stop holding on to the past and plan for the long term.
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Postby Helljumper on Thu May 01, 2014 12:32 am

John3:16 wrote:Derek Fisher would be a great choice.


Not sure if you're serious, but I think this would be my number one choice.

While I'd be fine with some of the experienced coaches like the Van Gundy's, Karl, Hollins, or Scott, for some reason I want to see us bring in a fresh face with no prior NBA coaching experience. And despite that, I'd have to say no to Ettore Messina. He might be qualified but I want nothing to do with anything that was associated with Mike Brown's coaching staff.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 01, 2014 12:45 am

Barnstable wrote:Oh, no question, if Fisher is willing to Coach, I want him above all other candidates! Yes it is a risk. But honestly, how many top head coaches with tons of experience, are there still in the league? Pop... that's about it.

We're coming to a time when a new generation of younger coaches will start taking over and it just so happens to coincide with our team starting from square one as well. Seem like perfect timing to me.

As to if Fish can do it, he was head of the players association, so we know he's smart, knows how to talk to people, network and build relationships. Kobe loves him, so we know he knows how to deal with extreme personalities, he has a winners determination and work ethic. He's worked with Phil for years, so he's seen the habits of a great head coach and knows what worked. He's tough as nails. We know he was one of the leaders on our championship teams. What else do we need to know really? There's literally no one better coming from the player ranks any time soon.

Sometimes a risk is the right move, and I think this is that time.


I agree with you a 100% Barnstable.

I had never really considered or thought of Fisher being our next head coach tonight until I saw and read Wojo's recent article. I love the idea of Fisher coming back to the Lakers in this role. Like you said, not many players have been as professional and have demonstrated winning qualities like Fisher has. I can picture him being very up front with his players and challenging them to grow and improve. If Jason Kidd can get a coaching gig when he retires I sure as hell can put my complete faith in Fisher. I think it would be a match made in heaven despite the risk associated with such a hire.

If nothing else, it sure would bring a smile to my face and I would be getting all nostalgic again from all the years Fisher was with the Lakers as a player and us winning rings. It would be a perfect way to come full circle :jam2:
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Postby MMJ on Thu May 01, 2014 4:06 am

Ettoire Messina would be the best choice imo... there's too many ways and reasons he fits perfectly into the Lakers.

Messina is great with "big" playmaking guards(like a 6'6 point guard in the draft upcoming)

FB&G: How “guard friendly” is his system? Does he rely on a PG to create offense for others? How do you see him using Kobe Bryant and his varied skill set?
XS: Messina has always relied on “big” playmakers. Antoine Rigaudeau, Marko Jaric, Manu Ginobili or Theo Papaloukas are just the kind of guys he wanted to give the ball to, all of them over 6-6 feet. Neither of those have been great shooters (Ginobili being the best of them) but incredible ball handlers, with good penetration and playmaking skills.

In his four Euroleague titles, 3 of the MVPs where guards (Ginobili, Papaloukas and Langdon) but saying his system is “guard friendly” would be taking it too far. I like Messina when he says that a good coach has the ability to detect the player strengths and draws a system to work for them. He’ll share his philosophy but he doesn’t have a closed system he applies everywhere as D’Antoni does with his run and gun or Jackson with the triangle.

The 3 things I’ve seen the most from his teams are:

1) A more than impeccable pick and roll game. Having a beast as Papaloukas helps as he is (not exaggerating) the European Stockton reading P&R situations. As you can see from this small clip of the high P&R they ran in CSKA Moscow; expect some of this to happen this season.

2) High efficiency shots. Bad shots lead to easy fast break points. If he has fast and young players that might mean run, run, and run the fast break and stop it if they can’t finish the easy basket. With a veteran Laker team it will probably mean long worked possessions.

3) More all-around players, less specialists

Messina: A Master on Adaptive Defense

Messina starts defending by attacking smart. Bad shots lead to long rebounds and easy transition points so that’s the first thing he’ll try to transmit to the coaching staff.

He’s always been a guy more in the line of help-recover than help-rotate. I hated how the Lakers changed defenses on every pick and roll situation
As you may see in this clip, it’s a CSKA Moscow – Macabi Tel Aviv game. In the first quarter they are already full court press, double teams, super aggressive off the ball defense on Vujcic (Metta World Peace like) and even some well executed 2-3 zone.
See what I was saying? I repeat. This is JUST the first quarter clip. THE FIRST QUARTER!
Messina is a master teaching that kind of D.

The main issue in Messina as an NBA coach will be on the topic we talked before – Defense. European defense is so much different than the NBA’s. For instance, real zones are not allowed in America as we see them in FIBA ball, more closed into the paint making it harder to get to the hole.

Also, in Europe, every game is played at the top intensity. Of course there are games with rivalries and more things at stake but it’s not like in the NBA where most teams cruise during a game just to sprint the last 8 minutes, or even cruising the whole season to click for the playoffs. For European teams, the dynamic is 1 or 2 games a week, 2 practices per day 4 to 5 days a week. Not shooting sessions, PRACTICE – drills and actually working on the game. That’s quite a big change of rhythm not just for players but also for the coaches. See again the clip from question 3 and tell me if you’ve ever seen that in a regular season first quarter. Yeah right, cruising… (I know, I know, 3-4 games a week and all that stuff, but I’d rather see a well played game than 3 games that don’t matter for the first 40 minutes. Don’t kill me please, just an opinion).

The last big adjustment Messina will likely have a hard time making is the control of the game the coach has over its players. You call Avery Johnson the “little general”? You’ve seen nothing. Coaches in Europe walk the bench up and down, don’t usually sit and are giving commands to its players. He’s probably calmer than the average euro coach but I can’t see that on an NBA bench.

I don’t think the jump to the NBA via the Lakers bench will make the transition harder. Messina is a winner and is not afraid of it. Would Coach K be listened and respected in the Lakers bench? Messina has probably done more than him basketball wise. He’s got his head straight. He could have jumped into a starting gig in Toronto had he wanted it but as he said, he first needs to prove himself to be a good assistant coach in the NBA, make the transition the right way, and then see what happens. Adjusting to the players and situations has always been his forte, that’s just another adjustment he’s doing.

Source: http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2011/07/13/ettore-messina-from-a-locals-perspective/

Former BYU college player Travis Hansen played for Messina in Europe and discussed what the Italian coach brings to the table, per Dick Harmon of the Deseret News:
He’s got a high basketball IQ, he’s structured, confident, strategic, personable and demanding...He was pretty laid back during the preseason, watching, learning, analyzing things. He looked at talent, figured out what direction he wanted to take the team, who fit in what role, and after about three weeks coaching started.

[...] Messina is demanding, but he believes in players. If he signs you, it is because he thinks you are one of the best. He demands you to play to the best of your abilities. He gives you the ball and expects those who can deliver to deliver. Strategically, he’s great all-around, but he’s the best in the fourth quarter.


It’s always up to the players to make plays, but when the game is on the line he knows where the ball has to go and how to get it there.

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2047491-lakers-head-coach-search-latest-news-and-rumors-on-vacant-position


Kobe has a profound respect for him, he's player coach, intensity, demands the absolute best from his players(ala Popovich), is master at teaching multiple defenses as well as offenses and adjusting them on the fly due to his personnel and knows how to maximize his players, he believes in working from the post and hosts post move clinics
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Also has a philosophy about working with individual players and their weaknesses rather than scheming around their weaknesses as it will only last till you face a better team that beats you regardless.

Not to mention he is particularly good at working with big playmakers that can penetrate the paint effectively.
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Postby trodgers on Thu May 01, 2014 4:41 am

Not voting for Scott, but he did make two squads into solid playoff teams:

New Jersey three years before Scott: .351, no playoffs
Scott: .517, 3/4 years were >.500, 2 playoff appearances, 25-15 in Playoffs
Three years Post Scott: .500, 18-20 in Playoffs

Charlotte/NOH before Scott: .537, 10-12 in Playoffs
Scott: .484, 2/6 seasons were >.500, 8-9 in Playoffs
Post Scott: .457, 2-4 in Playoffs

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Postby kenzo on Thu May 01, 2014 5:09 am

last stand wrote:I don't want fisher anywhere near as a head coach. as an assistant? Absolutely

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Postby LakersN4 on Thu May 01, 2014 7:18 am

I think Scott would definitely be the best guy to develop Exum if we luck into drafting him, or continue developing Kyrie if we trade our pick for him.. I also think Scott might be 1 of the only coaches Kobe would respect enough to let Exum or Kyrie handle the ball more if the coach says that's the best thing for the team. He'd walk all over the majority of the coaching candidates but he not only respects Scott as a mentor, but Scott has a reputation for not backing down to his star players.. It's what got him fired multiple times. But might be exactly what we need. If he added Fish to his staff that would be the icing on the cake as far as making sure Kobe buys into the coaches & the rest of the players are likely to follow Kobe's lead.
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Postby Pig Miller on Thu May 01, 2014 7:31 am

i would love fish back with the organization, but concerned about a first year head coach who was playing just months earlier (ala Jason Kidd)

Kidd at least had the benefit of 1) savvy veteran group and 2) playing in a weak conference

our team would be young and playing in a tough conference, so if we're willing to take our lumps the first year with Fish as our guy, i could be sold.

there's a couple other candidates i'd rather have, but Fish isn't a terrible idea
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 01, 2014 8:21 am

Barnstable wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:We need a coaching staff which puts in place a defensive culture and develops young players ...

I'm not sure why we should hire people who never coach in their life ... PASS on Fisher, Kerr ect ... We are the Lakers , not the Bucks


Because everyone has to start somewhere, and since we're starting from near square one, why not try to build for the long term future.

How long would any of these older coaches stay? The 3+ years it will take to build a champion?

No, it's a new day. We need to stop holding on to the past and plan for the long term.


Then hire an assistant or somebody like the Celtpricks did by hiring Brad Stevens ... maybe Ollie

Clifford and Budenholzer did a good job with the Bobcats/Hawks ...

We need some guarantees even if we are in rebuilding mode... let Fish show what he's worth as an assistant then he might take over in 4-5+ years
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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu May 01, 2014 8:26 am

Barnstable wrote:Oh, no question, if Fisher is willing to Coach, I want him above all other candidates! Yes it is a risk. But honestly, how many top head coaches with tons of experience, are there still in the league? Pop... that's about it.

We're coming to a time when a new generation of younger coaches will start taking over and it just so happens to coincide with our team starting from square one as well. Seem like perfect timing to me.

As to if Fish can do it, he was head of the players association, so we know he's smart, knows how to talk to people, network and build relationships. Kobe loves him, so we know he knows how to deal with extreme personalities, he has a winners determination and work ethic. He's worked with Phil for years, so he's seen the habits of a great head coach and knows what worked. He's tough as nails. We know he was one of the leaders on our championship teams. What else do we need to know really? There's literally no one better coming from the player ranks any time soon.

Sometimes a risk is the right move, and I think this is that time.


I'm literally excited about this possibility. First up this morning I went to the "I was an idiot" D'antoni thread to make sure I hadn't just dreamt it all last night, and saw WOJ's article there. Not that anyone specifically cares but said much the same, copied below.

Works for me. BIG TIME. Fisher is a bulldog, intelligent as hell, uber well spoken and he and Kobe of course have the great relationship. Kobe would have to respect him, trust him and want to help him succeed by causing him no problems. If they hopefully are not going after Scott, Karl or another retread, and wanting to go a bit unconventional then do it with Fish. Fans would freaking love it. I think if he has already said he's open to coaching Derek Fisher will be an excellent damn coach. And for Rock's concerns about developing young players…..boom Fish I have no doubt can get that done. The rebuild part of it for everyone involved would be more palatable.

Hey WOJ said it all. :jam2:

And Fish like Kobe learned and played under the best, the master. Couple years Kevin Durant has to give a strong look at the least.

Fisher is a WINNER. A lot to learn his first years, like Kidd, but he has what it takes. Brooks is always saying it's like having another coach on the team.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu May 01, 2014 8:31 am

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne · 34h
Lakers made a run at Coach K before. I'm sure they'll ask again. But he's been clear he doesn't intend to leave Duke


Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne · 33h
As @mcten noted earlier, there really is no predicting who Lakers hire next. Could be young/old/big name. So many variables right now


Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne · 33h
If Lakers wait to hire a new coach, opportunity for FAs to have input on hire is an interesting carrot.


Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne · 24h
Lakers will take time in coaching search, but consider Ollie, Calipari, Byron, Gentry, Dunleavy, DFish, Karl, JVG, Rambis on initial list.
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Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 01, 2014 8:33 am

Why the f*** is Dunleavy always on every list? :man10:

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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 01, 2014 8:35 am

No to Calipari , Dunleavy, Fish , Gentry , Byron , Rambis and Karl ...
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