Groundless Trade & free agent signing Idea Thread

Postby Savage1 on Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:36 am

fahrique wrote:...is it October yet?

...the rumor I read from a Sky post: "Charlotte is the third team on Kobe's list. Jordan runs the show. Cats have huge cap room, could build a team around Kobe from scratch in free agency over the next two years."

So, if I've got to go on that premise, then...

...Kobe to Charlotte for Wallace, Okafor, Knight, pick (# 8)
...Kwame & Walton to Denver for Camby
...Cook, pick/s to Sac for Artest

Odom / Farmar / Knight
Artest / Evans
Wallace / Radmanovic
Okafor / Turiaf
Camby / Bynum

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Yes, because Kobe's definitely going to waive his no-trade clause to go to a team who's best players, at that point, are Adam Morrison and Ray Felton. Come on, I get groundless, but this isn't NBA Live...
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Postby fahrique on Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:01 am

Savage1 wrote:Yes, because Kobe's definitely going to waive his no-trade clause to go to a team who's best players, at that point, are Adam Morrison and Ray Felton. Come on, I get groundless, but this isn't NBA Live...


The key words in my graph were "IF I've got to go on that premise". For the record, I don't think Kobe goes there either, although if he's serious about going to Pluto, then frankly, the lakers should definitely call that bluff.

As for groundless, according to the dictionary, that means "without rational basis", so, all in good fun, I think I am in the right thread with this. If there is an nba-live thread, please direct me to it.
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Postby wallangong on Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:04 am

a la espn trade machine:

Lakers Outgoing:
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Kwame Brown
Vladimir Radmanovic
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans

Lakers Incoming:
Jermaine O'neal
Pau Gasol
Marquis Daniels

Pacers Outgoing:
Jermaine O'neal

Pacers Incoming:
Andrew Bynum
Kwame Brown
Stromile Swift

Grizzlies Outgoing:
Pau Gasol

Grizzlies Incoming:
Lamar Odom
Vladimir Radmanovic
Brian Cook
Maurice Evans

PG
Kobe
Daniels/Luke
Gasol
JO
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Postby Lakerfantilidie on Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:48 am

I don't think this is a groundless trade idea, because I think it would be a reality if the Lakers front office would consider it. It is a realistic trade. Although it hasn't been proposed anywhere, I think both teams would do it, and it would work for both teams.

If I'm Buss, I get Mitch on the phone, and the 2 of them meet with Kobe. I'd tell Kobe this is what we are planning to do, we are going to build around you. We are looking at Marion, JO & whatever else they got up thier sleeve. Our goal is to build around you and not get raped in the process. Are you down or not. If not.....then I'd tell Kobe we hate to see you go, but we'll give you your wish on our terms. Yes you have a no trade clause, but we are not going to take the shaft like we did with Shaq and get nothing for you. We are going to build a win/win situation. You must agree to be traded to Phoenix. Our price tag for you will be Amare, Barbosa & a draft pick. We'll even through in a re-signed Luke, to go with you, with your pick of Turiaf, Cook, Kwame to give you an extra big body to go with Kurt Thomas & Diaw over there. We win, cause it gives us a true superstar for a superstar, and we get a point guard, and a pick to gain more flexibility to put in missing players. You win cause you are on a contender that got to the WCF without Amare before. Phoenix will do the deal cause Luke will be in it & they would be able to finally sell out on the road and get more tv revenue. Plus both teams would have flexibility to do other things to get better. win/win all sides. No other team in the league can offer us the flexibility Phoenix can and they are the only team in the league that can give up a superstar and still be a contender with the addition of you. If you dont like that opt out!!! Those are your choices.
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Postby wallangong on Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:33 pm

another pointless trade idea, i just love killing time with the trade machine

Lakers trade
Kobe, Bynum, Kwame, Radmanovic, Cook
Lakers get
Amare, JO, Barbosa, Marcus Banks

Suns trade
Amare, Marion, Barbosa, Diaw
Suns get
Kobe, Radmanovic, Marquis Daniels, Cook

Pacers trade
JO, Daniels
Pacers get
Bynum, Marion, Diaw, Kwame

Lakers lineup:
Farmar/Banks/MLE
Barbosa/Evans/Vujajic
Odom/Walton
JO/Turiaf
Amare/Mihm
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Postby Crispy on Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:46 pm

Hawks Get: Kobe Bryant
Lakers Get: Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, 3rd overall pick

Sonics Get: Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown
Lakers Get: Ray Allen

Lakers draft Al Horford.

PG - Joe Johnson
SG - Ray Allen
SF - Josh Smith
PF - Al Horford
C - Andrew Bynum
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Postby Massacre on Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:04 pm

Crispy wrote:Sonics Get: Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown
Lakers Get: Ray Allen


What? Why give up 2 of our best trade assets for an aging Ray Allen, coming off a 55 games playesd season, when we can pursue a guy like Jermaine O'neal or Pau Gasol. Horford is not ready to start in the West, and will get beaten to death every night.
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Postby Slider on Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:43 pm

This really fits in this thread...

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Postby Klewfish on Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:30 am

Kobe for Michael Redd/Andrew Bogut/#6. I think the AB duo down low would kick, and Bogut IMO would be an ideal tri-PF.

Mike Conley Jr/Redd/Odom/Bogut/Bynum?
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Postby lakersforthewin on Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:17 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 6~16~13~16

Laker's give #19 to Boston, Boston swaps picks with Minny, Lakers give #48 to Minny.

Minny would get a mix of young and vet talent in this deal. Although they don't get Lamar they still get Bynum and expiring contracts worth 20 mil next year! They also get Telfair and Gomes to add to their new youth movement. They move up in the draft enough to snag a Yi Jianlian or increase their odds of getting Brewer. Another 2nd rnd pick allows them to go after late draft names such as Glen Davis or Bobby Brown.

Boston would improve from this trade dramatically because they get rid of two huge contracts in Wally and Ratliff and also get rid of Telfair. They bring in Lamar Odom who would be a perfect 3rd option behind Pierce and Jefferson. They'd get the shooting touch of Vlad Rad and as an added bonus Craig Smith! Although they drop 2 spots in the draft it'll still be enough to land them a big name player like Brewer, Green, or possibly Jianlian. They would also land the Laker's #19 pick to add possibly Acie Law or Rudy Fernandez.

This is how Minny's lineup would look.

Foye/Hudson/Telfair
Davis/Gomes/McCants
Hassell/Howard/Jaric
Jianlian/Blount/Madsen
Bynum/Brown/Ratliff

Not a bad lineup for the future now let's take a look at Boston.

West/Rando/Ray
Pierce/Fernandez/Allen
Odom/Green/Powe
Jefferson/Radmanovic/Scalabrine
Noah/Olowokandi/Perkins

Not too shabby either.

As for the Lakers they would reunite former teammates Szczerbiak and Garnett. Wally would replace Vlad as our 3 point shooter and KG would be...well KG. We would have to make more signings with our MLE and vet min but it would be a very nice start to the offseason!
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Postby Abnormal on Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:41 am

I have an idea that might land us KG!!!!

First trade LO to Boston for Theo Ratliff’s expiring $11,666,666 and maybe their first which is the fifth or their second rounder which is the 32 over all pick second pick in the second round. Then trade Ratliff’s $11,666,666 add Browns $9,075,000 and Bynum to Minnesota for KG

Why would they do this you may ask 20,741,666 cap space gained IN 08 and their big packed with everybody favorite word potential.

Before everybody flames me this trade works on real gm fill may have to be added to take back more here or there IE: picks TO PLEASE GM'S but it works.

what do you guys think
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Postby wallangong on Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:01 pm

trade idea if kobe has to go:

Celtics get:
Andrew Bynum
Vladimir Radmanovic
Maurice Evans
#19 pick

Celtics lose:
Paul Pierce
Leon Powe

Bulls get:
Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown

Bulls lose:
Ben Gordon
Ben Wallace
Chris Duhon
#9 pick

Lakers get:
Paul Pierce
Ben Gordon
Ben Wallace
Chris Duhon
Leon Powe
#9 pick

Lakers lose:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Kwame Brown
Vladimir Radmanovic
Maurice Evans
#19 pick
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Postby SashKa_LA_2000 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:21 pm

^^^ Oh ! The head just goes around ! I'd say to what was said upper that it is too difficult to make such a blockbuster trade.

Pau Gasol gets 13.7 M next season.
So, to do this trade, taking into consideration that Pau has demanded to be traded, I'd say so :

Lakers trade
Radmanovic - 5.6 M
Kwame - 9.0 M
Bynum - 2.1 M

Lakers get
Pau
and a filler who will make the trade possible
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Postby Lakerfantilidie on Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:10 pm

What do you think? Pipe or not pipe?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 7~13~13~16
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Postby sm61893 on Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:55 pm

Lakerfantilidie wrote:What do you think? Pipe or not pipe?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 7~13~13~16


Why would denver do that? Both PF/C for Odom. That would make 0 since.
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Postby Lakerfantilidie on Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:11 pm

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Postby Lakerfantilidie on Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:37 pm

How bout this for a small trade that makes sense and works for both teams:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... s=25~25~13
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Postby sm61893 on Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:05 pm

Lakerfantilidie wrote:How bout this one


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~13~23


I don't think that is good for the Kings us yes but no the kings.
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Postby cthroatgtr on Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:58 pm

Lakerfantilidie wrote:How bout this one


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~13~23


I like it but I doubt the Kings do that trade. Too much inbound with no chance of winning. I would throw this one out:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~23~13

Not as attractive but probably more realistic. The downside would be taking on Hughes' contract, but that would be a good fit for the Lakers. You would then have a starting team of Hughes, Kobe, Artest, Lamar and Bynum. Off the bench you have Walton, Fish, Mihm, Turiaf, Mo and Java which allows you to go two deep at every position and then some. Again Hughes' contract is a bit steep however.
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Postby sm61893 on Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:33 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:
Lakerfantilidie wrote:How bout this one


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~13~23


I like it but I doubt the Kings do that trade. Too much inbound with no chance of winning. I would throw this one out:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~23~13

Not as attractive but probably more realistic. The downside would be taking on Hughes' contract, but that would be a good fit for the Lakers. You would then have a starting team of Hughes, Kobe, Artest, Lamar and Bynum. Off the bench you have Walton, Fish, Mihm, Turiaf, Mo and Java which allows you to go two deep at every position and then some. Again Hughes' contract is a bit steep however.


I'm not sure I like that trade. How about this one with the Pistons instead. I know they are saying they are staying put but maybe this will change their mind.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... ~8~8~13~13

LA Out-
Kwame Brown
Lamar Odom
Jordan Farmar
Maybe first round pick in 2008

LA In-
Rasheed Wallace
Tayshaun Prince

Pistons Out-
Rasheed Wallace
Tayshaun Prince

Pistons In-
Kwame Brown
Lamar Odom
Jordan Farmar
Maybe first round pick in 2008

They would need to sign Webber before the deal to make it good for them. They would get a good back up for Billups, a strong SF in Odom, and a better center then what they have now in Brown.

Their new starting five-
Billups
Hamilton
Odom
Webber
Brown

I think that team could go to the finals in the east.

I think we get better with two guys that have great playoff experience. If we sign Ely with the vet min then we have a strong team with depth. Below is the line up if the trade took place.

Line Up
Fisher/JC
Kobe/Sasha/Evans
Prince/Walton/Radman
Wallace/Cook/Turiaf
Bynum/Mihm/Ely (vet min)

We keep our future with Bynum and JC, while putting together a team that can make a run in the Playoffs. 4 of the starting 5 have multiple rings.

I know it has not even come up but I think it would be a good trade for both teams.
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Postby Abnormal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:26 am

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Bynum/Mihm/DJ
Pau/Ronnie/Vlad
Lo/Ariza/luke
Kobe/Karl
Sasha/Fisher/Farmar
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Postby Abnormal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:28 am

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Bynum/Mihm/DJ
Pau/Ronnie/Vlad
Lo/Ariza/luke
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Postby Klewfish on Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:59 am

I mentioned this earlier in another thread.

Lakers Trade: Vladamir Radmanovic, Jordan Farmar, Brian Cook, 2008 2nd
Heat Trade: Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem

New Lineup

Jason Williams/Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant/Mo Evans/Sasha Vujacic
Lamar Odom/Luke Walton
Udonis Haslem/Ronny Turiaf
Kwame Brown/Andrew Bynum/Chris Mihm


then at the trade line, we can offer the TWolves Jason Williams, Kwame Brown, Mo Evans ($19ish mil exp K's), Andrew Bynum, 2008 1st for KG. New lineup

Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant/Sasha Vujacic
Lamar Odom/Luke Walton
Kevin Garnett/Udonis Haslem
Chris Mihm/Ronny Turiaf
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Postby KB+KG=DOMINATION on Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:32 pm

how about a simple 1 for 1 trade that makes us way better.

vlad radmonovic for drew gooden straight up.
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Postby Klewfish on Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:01 pm

KB+KG=DOMINATION wrote:how about a simple 1 for 1 trade that makes us way better.

vlad radmonovic for drew gooden straight up.


No reason the Cavs do that without getting a PG in return. Vlad Rad + Farmar for Gooden + 2nd might work.
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