Groundless Trade & free agent signing Idea Thread

Postby jjin28 on Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:57 pm

ALMOST PERFECT TRADE (need help on the bulls part.

WOLVES
T Wolves Outgoing: Kevin Garnett
T Wolves Incomeing: Andrew Bynum Joakim Noah, Ben Gordon, Theo Ratliff

Wolves do it for having a future line up:
Foye
Gordon
Brewer
Noah
Bynum

That is a good starting 5 to build on...

BOSTON
Boston Outgoing: Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, #1 pick
Boston Incoming: Lamar Odom

Celts do it to become instant contenders in the East
Rando
Ray Allan
Pierce
Odom
Jefferson

Chicago
Chicago Outgoing: Ben Gordan, Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon
Chicago Incoming: Gerald Green, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittention, Lakers #1, Bostons #1

Bulls do it b/c......well, this is the part I need help on...a little more and it should do it..

Lakers
Lakers Outgoing: Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittention, # 1 pick
Lakers Incoming: Kevin Garnett, Chris Duhon

Reasons: DUH!
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Postby Amongst_Kings on Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:29 pm

jjin28 wrote:ALMOST PERFECT TRADE (need help on the bulls part.

WOLVES
T Wolves Outgoing: Kevin Garnett
T Wolves Incomeing: Andrew Bynum Joakim Noah, Ben Gordon, Theo Ratliff

Wolves do it for having a future line up:
Foye
Gordon
Brewer
Noah
Bynum

That is a good starting 5 to build on...

BOSTON
Boston Outgoing: Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, #1 pick
Boston Incoming: Lamar Odom

Celts do it to become instant contenders in the East
Rando
Ray Allan
Pierce
Odom
Jefferson

Chicago
Chicago Outgoing: Ben Gordan, Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon
Chicago Incoming: Gerald Green, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittention, Lakers #1, Bostons #1

Bulls do it b/c......well, this is the part I need help on...a little more and it should do it..

Lakers
Lakers Outgoing: Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittention, # 1 pick
Lakers Incoming: Kevin Garnett, Chris Duhon

Reasons: DUH!


Wolves and Lakers RAPE Chicago

Boston may do this...

Why would Chicago trade a package thsat could land them KG for nothing?

Kwame is a bust, Noah >>> Critt, and Gordon >>>>>>>>>>>> Green. The first rounders dont do jack for them as they want to win now. Critt is a nice young prospect, but they have Kirk and Seflosha. Also, had Chi wanted him soo badly they could taken him 9th instead of us at 19th.

The only trade that brings KG to LA is straight up or the 4 team that fell apart. other then that nobody is helping Kobe get KG.
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Postby wallangong on Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:10 pm

Lakers Incoming: JO, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Tony Allen
Lakers Outgoing: Bynum, Brown, Radmanovic, Farmar, Cook, 1st rounder

Pacers Incoming:
Bynum, Brown, Radmanovic, Telfair, Ratliff
Pacers Outgoing: JO, Ike Diogu, Marquis Daniels, David Harrison

Celtics Incoming: Cook, Diogu, Daniels, Farmar, Harrison, Lakers' 1st rounder
Celtics Outgoing: Green, Telfair, Gomes, Allen

no explanation needed as to why we would do this trade. pacers, i think this is as good a deal as you're going to get.
the toughest part is the celtics: we all know they want to get rid of telfair. doubt they want to trade green, but as far as i know he hasn't done much in his young career (i have no idea how the Celts FO feels about him, but now they have ray allen as their starting SG), tony allen is kind of lost in the shuffle with their backcourt rotation. and gomes i know is a solid guy but you replace him with diogu. they also get a 3 pt shooting big man in cook, and a servicable center in harrison
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Postby Klewfish on Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:37 pm

I'd like to name off some non-Lakers trades that I think would benefit some teams.

Miami Trades Udonis Haslem and Michael Doleac to the Philly 76ers for Andre Miller and a future 2nd.

Cleveland trades Donyell Marshall to Seattle for Earl Watson.

Lakers Trade: Lamar Odom
Lakers Receive: Shane Battier, Drew Gooden

Rockets Trade: Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Bonzi Wells
Rockets Receive: Lamar Odom

Cavs Trade: Drew Gooden
Cavs Receive: Rafer Alston, Bonzi Wells


Lakers New Lineup

Fisher/Farmar/Crit
Kobe/Evans/Sasha
Battier/Luke/Vlad
Gooden/Turiaf/Cook
Kwame/Bynum/Mihm

Rockets New Lineup

Mike James/Luther Heard/Aaron Brooks
Steve Francis/Bob Sura
Tracy McGrady/Kirk Snyder
Lamar Odom/Hayes/Jackie Butler
Yao Ming/Mutombo

Celtics Trade Theo Ratliff/Al Jefferson/Tony Allen to the Grizzlies for Pau Gasol, Damon Stoudemire


Lakers trade Jordan Farmar/Kwame Brown/08 2nd to the Sixers for Andre Miller/Stephen Hunter.
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Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:09 pm

Klewfish wrote:]Lakers trade Jordan Farmar/Kwame Brown/08 2nd to the Sixers for Andre Miller/Stephen Hunter.


In a second.

Hunter is an underrated player. I'd go to war with a Bynum/Hunter/Mihm center rotation.

Bynum/Hunter/Mihm
Odom/Turiaf/Cook
Walton/Vlad/Yue
Bryant/Evans/Sasha
Miller/Fisher/Critter

It wouldn't be the change this team needs, but there is no doubt it makes us better.
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Postby Klewfish on Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:29 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:
Klewfish wrote:]Lakers trade Jordan Farmar/Kwame Brown/08 2nd to the Sixers for Andre Miller/Stephen Hunter.


In a second.

Hunter is an underrated player. I'd go to war with a Bynum/Hunter/Mihm center rotation.

Bynum/Hunter/Mihm
Odom/Turiaf/Cook
Walton/Vlad/Yue
Bryant/Evans/Sasha
Miller/Fisher/Critter

It wouldn't be the change this team needs, but there is no doubt it makes us better.


Heck I think it would help in one of two ways as well.

1. Miller could become the initiator, which would allow Odom to more of a scorers role. Phil would be able to tell him that he doesn't need to worry about when to be an initiator and when to look to score, because he'd be used solely as a scorer.

2. With Miller initiating, Odom is now expendable for a more fitting PF.
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Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:16 pm

Klewfish wrote:With Miller initiating, Odom is now expendable for a more fitting PF.


And what PF could we get for Odom? There isn't much out there.
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Postby sleepin4matty on Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:07 pm

lakersforthewin wrote:http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~3002~617~2421~385~70~261&teams=16~16~16~27~27~16~13~13&te=&cash=


That is the newest rumor I've heard about but I think it includes Critt instead of Farmar and also includes Juan Carlos Navarro from Washington coming here. So basically replace farmar with critt and add in Navarro coming to LA.
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Postby Klewfish on Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:13 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:
Klewfish wrote:With Miller initiating, Odom is now expendable for a more fitting PF.


And what PF could we get for Odom? There isn't much out there.


It would just make him more available for a player like JO, or make a move for a Pau Gasol, etc.

Lamar Odom + Brian Cook + future 1st for Pau Gasol perhaps?

or Odom for David West + pick.
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Postby wallangong on Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm

if kobe wants out, how bout this:

Lakers Incoming: Agent Zero, Caron Butler, Ben Wallace
Lakers Outgoing: Kobe, Bynum, Radmanovic, Farmar, Cook

Bulls Incoming: Kobe, Cook
Bulls Outgoing: Wallace, Ben Gordon

Wizards Incoming: Bynum, Gordon, Radmanovic, Farmar
Wizards Outgoing: Arenas, Butler

Great trade for each team IF for some reason Gilbert planned on leaving Washington when he became a free agent.
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Postby BadNewsBear on Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:53 pm

Lakers Trade: Kwame Brown, Mo Evans
Lakers Receive: Ricky Davis, Marko Jaric

We take Jaric's contract off their hands and get a deadly midrange threat in Davis. Simple trade, solid improvement.
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"Groundless" Idea: Corey Maggette

Postby L4L on Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:22 am

My "groundless" thoughts on Corey Maggette:

In General:
Since 2006, Maggette's name has been tied to NUMEROUS organizations including Miami, Indiani, Lakers, Jazz, and more.

The most recent rumor involving the Lakers, of course, involved trading Luke Walton for Corey Maggette. Somewhat shockingly this offer was supposedly TURNED DOWN.

As we all know, the Clippers surprised a few people by taking Al Thorton. If Corey Maggette was to be the SF of the future, this sure as hell was a funny of showing it. In fact, it seems to again coincide with Dunleavy's choice to bury Corey on the bench. Corey, who over the years, has made it very clear that he believes he's a starting NBA talent. I completely agree! While Dunleavy has promised Corey that he will start, it doesn't appear as if he is in their long term plans anymore. Al Thorton is a tweener, and with Elton Brand as the court general, it doesn't appear as if Corey has a place in the Clipper's future plans.

With Maggette having the option to end his contract at the end of this season, the Clippers risk losing a 20ppg scorer for absolutely nothing. If they've thought about making a deal once, why not revisit this deal?



Why we should target #50:
An All-Around Talented Kid:
Over the last four seasons, he has a PER of 19.4.

To give you an idea of what that means, here are some 2006-2007 PER numbers for top SFs:

    LeBron James: 24.5
    Lamar Odom: 16.1
    Ron Artest: 18.5
    Carmelo Anthony: 22.1
    Kobe Bryant: 26.1
    Gerald Wallace: 19.8
    Scottie Pippen through 24-27: 19.4
Here are just some general, basic statistics involving the kid:
    Over the last four seasons, has averaged over 3.5 assists per 40 minutes
    Over the last four seasons, has averaged right around 7 rebounds per 40
    Over his career, has averaged a steal per 40
    Career 82% FT shooter
    Career 57.3% TS shooter
    Has shot 41.4, 42.5, and 39.7 eFG% on his jumpers the last 3 seasons.

He's a legit #2 option:
The fact of the matter of the is, for the last FIVE STRAIGHT seasons Corey Maggette has averaged over 20 points per 40 minutes. This kid can score! He's not putting up inefficient numbers either. He's a career 47.5 eFG% shooter, and has exceeded, or met, an eFG% of 48.0 4 out of his eight seasons with the Clippers. Over the course of his career, Maggette averages 22 points per 48 minutes. Wow! These are impressive numbers for a guy that NO ONE is talking about right now.

No one on our team possesses Maggette's skill set:
You wanna talk about an athlete, you can start talking about Corey Maggette. As we all know, Maggette is strong an ox. He literally bulls his way into the lane each and every night. In fact, not even Kobe gets to the line as much as Maggette. Over the last 3 seasons, Corey has AVERAGED 11 free throws trips per night. That's astounding for a SF. Not only that, Corey is an 82% free throw shooter! That's excellent! Unlike other players on this team, Corey has a shoot second mentality. You won't see this kid jack up shot attempt after shot attempt. With Maggette, you know he's going to the rack, but you can't stop it.

Defensive Aptitude:
While Maggette isn't the greatest quality defender, he brings a toughness that shows up on the stat sheet.

Based on the new DCS ratings that came out on August 1st:
    Corey ranks 37th among all SGs and SFs for defense.
    Corey has a rating of 7.9, which translates to the range of 0-20 for ABOVE average defenders.
    Corey is tied for 42nd among SGs and SFs for defensive +/- rating with 0.6 points per 100 possessions. This simply means his team gave up about half a point less per 100 possessions when Maggette was on the court versus when he was off the court. It translates to about 1 point per game. However! You must consider the fact he was playing behind Quinton Ross who is an excellent defender. Despite that disadvantage, Corey still had a positive impact on the defensive +/- ratings.
    Maggette tied for 42nd among all SGs, and SFs for allowed opponent production.


Furthermore, away from the numbers, Maggette is just a tough guy who doesn't take crap from people; exactly the kind of attitude we need. He's strong enough to defender the bigger SFs in this league such as Carmelo Anthony, Ron Artest, and LeBron James. This is highly advantageous because it means Kobe no longer has to worry about going to the post against these types of players.

He's 27 Years Old:
He's not old enough to the point where we have to worry about signing him to a longer deal, and yet he's not young enough to the point where we have to worry about foolish inexperienced mistakes. He's an 8 year vet of the league.

Friends with KB24!:
I can't believe I'm using such a silly reason to promote getting a player! However, in light of recent events, this can be nothing but an added bonus. It means better chemistry, and it means Kobe has something good to talk about.



The Negatives:
    1. A known ball stopper. Hopefully, this is where the one of the best coaches in the NBA can go to work.
    2. Known ego issues. Corey thinks he's all that and a bag of chips. Again, Phil with the psyche manipulation.
    3. Quite injury prone. Only played more than 70 games twice in his career. One of those seasons being last year where he got reduced minutes.
    4. Low basketball IQ. I've seen this mentioned a few times by Clippers fans and Laker fans alike. I thought it worth noting considering the triangle is a complex scheme. He is known for not taking the situation into account and always trying to do the same thing. I have faith in Phil. We don't pay him 10 million for no reason.
    5. I'd personally like to see him create more turnovers, and cut down on his own.
    6. About the jumper: I'd love to see him increase his %s a few points because he'll become even more deadly when opponents have to respect that J(think Tony Parker).
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Postby lakersforthewin on Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:38 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=24~2750~2383~615~1024~138~497~847~2748~1998~3002~617~1016~2421&teams=13~12~13~13~12~11~13~11~11~11~11~11~12~12&te=&cash=

How about this trade? I think Clips would do with the injury to Brand and the Pacers get Odom AND Bynum.

Lakers get Maggette and JO+Harrison and Armstrong as the fillers. Luke would come off the bench as our 6th man but I think he can handle it.

Fisher/Crittenton/Armstrong (2 veterans and one potential all-star)
Bryant/Evans/Karl
Maggette/Walton/
O'Neal/Turiaf
Brown/Harrison/Mihm

Add Webber to the mix at PF and maybe a 3rd string SF with our remaining MLE? Hassan Adams perhaps?

Clips upgrade their PG position with Tinsley running the floor since Knight won't be able to play 48 minutes a game. Diogu is a nice young player that might be useful to them. They get Vlad Rad back+Sasha another shooter and an expiring contract of his own. They go into a semi-rebuild mode with young players like Diogu and Thornton with most of the minutes but will be able to make a playoff run when Brand and Livingston return...Kaman is expected to produce after a disappointing year last season too.

Pacers get Bynum+Odom which they want+a talented PG in Farmar, they get a veteran shooter in Tim Thomas who has proven that he can be clutch, another big man shooter in Cook, and the floor general type mentality of Cassel (not to mentin his 6 mil expiring)

The plus side is we keep Kwame's 9 mil expiring contract and his game should be elevated playing next to JO. We can also trade him as well if we find it fit

*Another variation could include Mobley going to Indy and the Pacers giving the Clips either Dunleavy or Murphy*

*Crittitenton can be substituted for Farmar but only if Bird asks for him first*
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Postby Lakerfantilidie on Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:28 pm

This is a trade that makes sense for all parties involved.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

They would never do it, cause it makes us a very lethal team. It makes sense though. They get someone who can deal with the Duncans of the world. Cap space, two shooter. That can hit 3's.
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Postby Klewfish on Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:30 pm

I like the trade someone mentioned above about getting Sheed and Prince.

Lakers Trade: Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar, Kwame Brown
Lakers Receive: Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace

Lakers New Lineup:

Fisher/Crittenton/Sasha
Kobe/Evans
Prince/Luke/Vlad
Sheed/Turiaf/Cook
Bynum/Mihm

I'd like to see the Lakers then trade Vladamir Radmanovic and Brian Cook for a more stable PF. I can only imagine a scenario where Sheed gets ejected, Turiaf gets in foul trouble and we are left with Cook at PF. Ughhh....

This is a pretty even trade talent wise but there isn't really a reason for the Pistons to do it. They are already a legitimate team in the East, why risk chemistry issues?
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Postby BadNewsBear on Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:38 pm

Thought I'd throw my hat into the Kobe trade ring:

Kobe Bryant
Chris Mihm

for

Anthony Johnson
Solomon Jones
Josh Childress
Shelden Williams
Marvin Williams
Al Horford
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Postby MoneyMike on Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:18 am

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/ easy trade, but too bad they dont really work :bang:
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Postby iLLMATIC on Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:06 pm

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4191584

Heres a 4 team trade we could do to get Artest and JO with out giving up Odom. We would have a dope starting line up. But the bench would be weak.

JO /Mihm /Gasol
Lamar /Ronny
Artest /Evans /Karl
Kobe /Sasha
Fisher /J-Crit /Yue
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Postby Black Sheep91 on Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:01 am

BadNewsBear wrote:Thought I'd throw my hat into the Kobe trade ring:

Kobe Bryant
Chris Mihm

for

Anthony Johnson
Solomon Jones
Josh Childress
Shelden Williams
Marvin Williams
Al Horford


Add 2 1st round pick for the Hawks then deal.
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Postby sm61893 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:38 am

Would anyone trade Kobe and Odom if we got Dirk, Howard, and Artest back? Before you say no look this over.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
We can use 2008 first round pick and M. Gasol and Yue if needed.

LA Out-
Kobe
Cook
Radman
Odom
JC
Evans

LA In-
Artest
Dirk
Howard
Abdur-Rahim
Salmons

Dallas Out-
Dirk
Howard
Harris

Dallas In-
Kobe
Cook
Radman
JC
(2008 pick and M. Gasol if needed)

Sac Out-
Artest
Abdur-Rahim
Salmons

Sac In-
Odom
Harris
Evans
(Yue or Gasol and or pick if needed)

LA Line Up-
PG Fisher/Farmar
SG Howard/Sasha/Coby/
SF Artest/Walton/Salmons
PF Dirk/Abdur-Rahim/Turiaf
C Mihm/Bynum/Brown

I think it works for all three teams. I would bet that Cuban would do it just to land Kobe. He could still sign Webber to play the PF position. Plus he gets JC and some other good role players. Sac gets Odom and Harris for Artest which is a good trade for them. We can through in a pick and Gasol or Yue to make any of these deals work.

Dallas Line Up
PG Terry/JC/Barea
SG Kobe/Buckner/Ager
SF Stackhouse/Radman/George
PF Webber/Cook/Croshere
C Dampier/Diop/Mbenga

Sac Line Up
PG Bibby/Harris/Shakur
SG Martin/Evans/Douby
SF Odom/Garcia
PF Thomas/Williams
C Miller/Moore/Hawes


You still might be saying no but I think this team is more balanced then what we have now. I don’t want Kobe to leave but it looks like that is what he wants. I think he would go to Dallas with this trade because the team does not get gutted and he knows Cuban will spend the money to make sure the team is good. We would have a good chance of going to the WCF with this team. We have 3 strong scores and great D with Artest plus we keep Bynum and if he blows up look out.
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Postby shaveice on Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:12 pm

No, both Kobe and Odom have the heart of a champion. Dirk on the other hand, bends over and let's D-Wade and the GSWs rip his butt.
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Postby Heir on Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:37 pm

Cook, Sasha, and Kwame for Camby and Wafer. Works on Trade Machine. :man1:
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Postby Black Sheep91 on Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:47 pm

Heir 24 wrote:Cook, Sasha, and Kwame for Camby and Wafer. Works on Trade Machine. :man1:


Denver says NO
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Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:01 pm

Kwame Brown and Mo Evans for Ricky Davis and Trenton Hassell?
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