Trade Farmar and Morrison to a team looking for 2010 Cap

Kobe Bryant 8 · by **Kobe Bryant 8** on Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:39 pm

You're not going to trade Morrison and/or Farmar for superior young talent. Good players on cheap contracts are gold right now.

You're only going to get a veteran from a team with legit hopes of signing a stud next summer.

That's all.

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:51 pm

Seriously, I think Mitch needs to get on the horn with NY. Everyone now from the front office even to D'Antoni at this point is done with Chris Duhon. In the AMMO and Farmar thread I posted this article:

Harrington Annoyed at Duhon?

Posted: 11/9/2009 5:50:00 AM
Source: Marc Berman of the New York Post

Mike D'Antoni's man crush on Chris Duhon is over.

In the summer of 2008, D'Antoni convinced Donnie Walsh that Duhon was the bridge to 2010 -- the point guard who would bring a winning attitude to a losing culture. Duhon possessed a high basketball IQ, leadership, defense and intangibles Stephon Marbury did not bring.

The two-year deal has turned into an Isiah Thomas-like blunder. The bridge has collapsed. Duhon, newly named captain, is going down with the Knicks' ship.

The Knicks are in chaos as they take their 1-6 record into tonight's game vs. the Jazz to begin a four-game homestand. Duhon's role as starting point guard is under intense scrutiny again.

Walsh and D'Antoni had flown to Treviso, Italy, for a draft camp to investigate selecting Jennings, who never showed. Walsh felt he didn't have enough information to make Jennings the eighth pick. Not good.

And now they're stuck with Duhon for the year -- without a point guard of the present or future. D'Antoni wanted Ramon Sessions. Walsh balked. Yes, rookie Toney Douglas is impressing D'Antoni lately, but he's not a bona fide starter.

"I do like what I'm seeing out of Toney, he's getting better all the time," D'Antoni said.

Duhon tried to be a leader nine days ago when he told MSG Network in Charlotte players were "joking around" too much on the layup line. But the remarks ticked off some players, including Al Harrington. D'Antoni wished he said it to the guys and not MSG's post-game show.

"One of those stretches it seems like everything's going wrong," Duhon said. "I'm caught in a downward spiral. The only way I can get out of it is fight my way out of it."

At this point in time NY might be willing to take a chance on a guy like Farmar. It couldn't really hurt. The team is in last place in the league after all. I could see Farmar fitting in extremely well with D'Antoni's run and gun system. Much easier than I could see him fitting here.

And clearly Farmar's days here seem numbered as they did not extend him. AMMO gives NY 5 million plus expiring. And if Farmar works out for them there will probably be very little competition to sign him which means they could resign him fairly cheap.

I think Duhon could be a great solution to the point guard problem here. He could study under Fish this year then take over the starting role next season. He's young (27), he dishes a lot of assists (top ten in the league), plays D, supposedly has a high BBall IQ, and he can get hot from distance (almost 37% from three career). He seems like a solid player and while Donnie Walsh is notoriously a hard bargainer, he might see the pros of getting a run and gun type of player in Farmar who has a reasonable contract and a big expiring in AMMO. Hey, let's not forget what Mitch was able to do with Kwame's 9 million expiring. This is small potatoes compared to that steal.

Kobe Bryant 8 · by **Kobe Bryant 8** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:02 am

At this point I don't want to just get rid of Farmar. He's playing much better this year.

We could get Duhon for Morrison straight up technically, but that would give us a huge log-jam at the PG position.

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:47 am

^^ I respectfully disagree in that I haven't seen Farmar playing well enough that I think we should keep him. He had a pretty good pre-season definitely, but since the real games have started I see the same inconsistency from him that plagued him in the past. I think Duhon would be a much more legitimate PG option for us than Jordan. To me that would be a big upgrade. Duhon is a guy I could see backing Fish up for this year and then taking the mantle from Fish next season when he's learned the system.

I just don't see the Lakers keeping Farmar as the next starting PG. They have already decided not to extend him so they must have serious doubts at this point. Am I wrong? If they believed in him then why wouldn't they extend him now? I don't see how Farmar, an uptempo guy who needs the ball in his hands all the time, a guy who plays no defense, is somehow going to become our next starter? I don't think Phil sees it either. And if that is the case, why prolong the agony?

Here's a great opportunity to find a better solution to our PG problem. NY is desperate for a PG. Farmar might be a guy who could fill that role in that system (Mitch would have to sell it a little), they would still get cap relief from AMMO's expiring (they wouldn't take that alone - they need a PG). And they could probably re-sign Farmar pretty cheap next year, certainly cheaper than what they are paying Duhon now at 6 plus million a year. Farmar has the fire that a guy like D' Antoni likes. He has the drive to be a starting PG. He just doesn't really fit here. We need a system guy who plays D and will give up the rock. Duhon looks like he's that kind of player. He played for Duke, he can heat it up from long range (not a very good shooter elsewhere), he can penetrate and dish, he plays D, he's got much better handles than a SG like Shannon Brown, and he's a good passer in general. I don't get why you would pass on that for Farmar, or why the Lakers should.

TKainZero · by **TKainZero** on Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:14 am

A Morrison and Farmar for Duhon works under the NBA Trade Machine.

If NY is in such a bad way with Duhon, then it could work, for years i have thought that Farmar and Dantonie would be perfect together. Duhon was never a good fit for the system.

Farmar is a lame duck player on the Lakers right now. They choose not to extend him, and gave his competition a 2 year deal. Farmar really cannot utilize his skill set within the Lakers structured offense.

From the article posted, it seems that NY is falling out of favor with Duhon, and the Lakers should sweep him up. Lakers can figure out what to do after they get him.

But I am all in favor for this trade.

tigerjeterkobe · by **tigerjeterkobe** on Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:39 pm

I like Duhon -- can hit big shots, can create in a smart way, can pass into the post, and decent defender. Better than Farmar at everything but speed and athleticism. He fits the triangle, Jordy doesn't.

My choice would be Deshawn Stevenson from the Wiz. He is a better Fisher -- has crazy range and a good shooting %, loves the defensive challenges (guards Lebron and Wade at times), is tough, and would fit niceley with Kobe, Ron, LO, and company, esp on defensive and to space the floor.

TKainZero · by **TKainZero** on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:17 pm

Stevenson is a SG, and would be a duplicate of Shannon Brown.
a nice player, but no real place for him on the Lakers roster, not with Brown still here.

Lakers need a PG, Stevenson is a SG. Good player, no real spot for him here.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:49 pm

Stevenson? Hell no. Sorry.

tigerjeterkobe · by **tigerjeterkobe** on Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:30 pm

OK. I agree with that. But Fisher is really a SG too. Stevenson can do all Fish can do in THIS triangle offense, and is better defensively. So like I said, he would fit better than Farmar in that position.

If we want a dime-dropping PG we need to get rid of Phil and change the offense.

Sure, Billups and D. Will would be perfect here -- and in any offense really -- but that won't happen. With the post up guys we have -- Pau, Drew, Kobe, LO, Ron -- a defensive PG that can shoot (so yes, really a SG) is best. With Fish and Stevenson we don't lose much.

If you want a dime dropper and creator just for the second unit, then we should grab Iverson and have Kobe and Phil and LO jedi mind trick him into accepting a role with the second unit of a championship team.

kobe_luver · by **kobe_luver** on Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:38 pm

tigerjeterkobe wrote:OK. I agree with that. But Fisher is really a SG too. Stevenson can do all Fish can do in THIS triangle offense, and is better defensively. So like I said, he would fit better than Farmar in that position.

If we want a dime-dropping PG we need to get rid of Phil and change the offense.

Sure, Billups and D. Will would be perfect here -- and in any offense really -- but that won't happen. With the post up guys we have -- Pau, Drew, Kobe, LO, Ron -- a defensive PG that can shoot (so yes, really a SG) is best. With Fish and Stevenson we don't lose much.

If you want a dime dropper and creator just for the second unit, then we should grab Iverson and have Kobe and Phil and LO jedi mind trick him into accepting a role with the second unit of a championship team.

I agree with getting Iverson!!

Larry14r · by **Larry14r** on Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:33 pm

kobe_luver wrote:
tigerjeterkobe wrote:OK. I agree with that. But Fisher is really a SG too. Stevenson can do all Fish can do in THIS triangle offense, and is better defensively. So like I said, he would fit better than Farmar in that position.

If we want a dime-dropping PG we need to get rid of Phil and change the offense.

Sure, Billups and D. Will would be perfect here -- and in any offense really -- but that won't happen. With the post up guys we have -- Pau, Drew, Kobe, LO, Ron -- a defensive PG that can shoot (so yes, really a SG) is best. With Fish and Stevenson we don't lose much.

If you want a dime dropper and creator just for the second unit, then we should grab Iverson and have Kobe and Phil and LO jedi mind trick him into accepting a role with the second unit of a championship team.

I agree with getting Iverson!!

Good god no Iverson is just going to ruin everything.

TKainZero · by **TKainZero** on Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:36 pm

As Crazy as it sounds, i can see a scenerio in which the Lakers would Take on AI, and not give up any real assets.

On second thought, screw that, no AI please.

However, there has to be someone out there that can improve the Lakers PG depth. And the Lakers have 7 million in expiering contracts that SOME TEAM has to find atractive.

LAKEROC · by **LAKEROC** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:59 pm

F NO to Artificial Intelligence.

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:57 am

I would like James Harden or Mario Chalmers on this team, but that's not happening.

I'm also still not sold on Duhon. Is he really a good defender? Literally for every team he's played on, the defensive rating stat shows that the team does better defensively when he's off the floor. Naturally, stats don't tell everything...but for that to happen for every single team? I'm not sold on him.

BigBoyBecks · by **BigBoyBecks** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:46 pm

IVERSON IS ONLY GOING TO GET BAD OFFERS FROM BAD TEAMS (KNICKS!) THIS SEASON AFTER LAST YEARS DISSAPOINTING SEASON WITH THE PISTONS!

SO, IF HE TREATS THE LAKERS AS A POTENTIAL RING, BUT ALSO A CHANCE OF FINNISHING THIS SEASON WITH A WINNING RECORD AND GAINING THE EXPERIANCE OF PLAYING WITH 'CHAMPIONSHIP' MENTALITY PLAYERS HE WILL RAISE HIS OWN STOCK 100% AND PUT HIMSELF IN A MUCH WEALTHIER 2010 OFFSEASON AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME! AND COULD EVEN COMMAND THE MID LEVEL.

STARTING FIVE FOR THE LAKERS

PG : D.FISHER
SG : K.BRYANT
SF : R.ARTEST
PF : P.GASOL
C : A.BYNUM

BENCH

PG : J.FARMER / S.BROWN
SG : A.IVERSON / S.VUJACIC
SF : L.WALTON / A.MORRISON
PF : L.ODOM / J.POWELL
C : D.J.MBENGA

I KNOW HE COULD BE DISRUPTIVE (THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE CRITICS HAVE SAID ALL OFFSEASON ABOUT ARTEST! - BUT WE ARE 8-3!), BUT JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH OFFENSIVE FORCE OUR BACKCOURT WOULD COMMAND. 6-7 PLAYERS WHO COULD EASILY THROW UP DOUBLE FIGURES IN POINTS - NIGHTLY!

FARMER, BROWN AND VUJACIC AREN'T GIVING US MUCH AT THE MOMENT! THROW IN A TRUE 'MINUTE STEELER' AND SEE IF THEY IMPROVE OR LOOSE OUT TO A BETTER BALLER AND THEN JUST GET DROPPED AT SEASONS END.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT

IVERSON'S EGO IS NOT BIGGER THAN KOBE, ODOM, ARTEST, GASOL, BYNUM, 4 TITLES IN THE LAST 10 SEASONS AND THE LAKERS DYNASTY - I THINK HE WOULD BE HUMBLED AND SHOW HIS TRUE ABILITY ONCE AGAIN.

PEACE :jam2:

TKainZero · by **TKainZero** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:10 pm

The only way AI comes to the Lakers is if he starts at PG, and Fisher moves to the bench

crazylakerfanforlife · by **crazylakerfanforlife** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:00 am

I think we could get randy foye for farmar and Morrison. I think foye is gonna be a star once he finds a right system to play in. He is a good fit for the triangle good defense and got range. he might be a combo guard but I think combo guards thrive in the triangle offense

GinoDB · by **GinoDB** on Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:49 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:At this point I don't want to just get rid of Farmar. He's playing much better this year.

We could get Duhon for Morrison straight up technically, but that would give us a huge log-jam at the PG position.

I dont think so, Brown can basically become our SG backup. Sasha will be the loser in this scenario

Larry14r · by **Larry14r** on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:27 pm

GinoDB wrote:
Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:At this point I don't want to just get rid of Farmar. He's playing much better this year.

We could get Duhon for Morrison straight up technically, but that would give us a huge log-jam at the PG position.

I dont think so, Brown can basically become our SG backup. Sasha will be the loser in this scenario

In that case how about this trade Morrison and Sasha to the Knicks for Duhon and Jefferes because we need also need help at SF/PF doesn't matter who it is.

Kou · by **Kou** on Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:08 am

Just say no to Jeffries, for the love of god just say no.

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